Intimidator Library

[andymi86]

Intimidator Library

I wrote this for the Intimidator forums on PBN, and crankwalk asked me to post it here. If you can help point out my mistakes and give suggestions that would be awesome. Enjoy.

If you want to look up a an upgrade check out this site, they have a ton of upgrades listed.

http://www.lovethisgame.info/review/timmy.htm

Generation 1

The original intimidator was released between 2000-2001. These were based off of the Bob Long Millennium body (similar to a spyder) and were some of the first true low pressure markers. Gen 1 markers came with Select Fire boards, and were also some of the first markers to support anti-chop eyes. They can be identified by the decoration block in the back, dual LPR housing (which includes and HPR and LPR), and characteristic frame. They were not sold with an in-line regulator. All of the Gen 1 Rippers are very limited and still remain very desirable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/classic_timmy_blue.jpg
Classic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/BLRipper.jpg
Ripper 1

One version of the Prototype Ripper had the same milling as the Ripper 1 with additional milling under the barrel tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ripper1proto.jpg
Prototype Ripper (XKE's marker shown with upgrades. The originals came with the same parts as the other rippers)

The other Prototype Ripper had the milling under the barrel tube and more subtle milling the lower tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/prototype_ripper.jpg
Prototype Ripper

Generation 2

In 2002 the intimidator line experianced it's first overhaul. The dual LPR block was replaced with a smaller single LPR block, and the frame was replaced with a clamshell design (except for the GZ which has a .45 frame). The body was lengthened to eliminate the decoration block, and a torpedo regulator was included stock. Later these came with WAS Boards (and later still Frenzy Boards) and clamping feed necks. With the addition of the WAS board this line became incredibly popular and dominated the tournament scene.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/intimidator_gz.jpg
Ground Zero (GZ)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/2k2.jpg
2k2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/Dragon.jpg
Dragon

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/Ironme4.jpg
Ironmen

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/prototype_ironman.jpg
Prototype Ironman

The prototype Ironmen only had 4 windows in the lower tube. (Thanks lopez17 for the pic!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/norcalak9.jpg
Nor*Cal

The Nor*Cal Intimidator uses an Ironmen body with custom badges.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ecx.jpg
ECX

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/texas_storm.jpg
Texas Storm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/lasoya.jpg
Lasoya

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/protolasoya.jpg
Prototype Lasoya (dcbiii's marker)

They came with a razor sharp tail on the back, as opposed to the normal, rounded one that came on the production models.

Apparently when the protoypes came from the machinist, Bob reccomended to the players that got them that they grind off the edges, because of the sharpness and potential for injury if the player fell on it, or brushed up against it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/species2.jpg
Species

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/z.jpg
Z

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/shocktech.jpg
Shocktech

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/flame.jpg
Flame

[andymi86]

Generation 2.5

Altough not made during a specific time frame these guns include parts from more then one generation and fit best in their own category. They all come with a Generation 2 body and Generation 3 frame and internals.

The Empire Intimidator includes several unique parts. Changes included redesigned trigger frame that is only found on the Empire and Dragon 2.5, an all delrin Empire poppet that fits a Gen 2 ramsleeve, and a larger front block that fits bodies that aren't tapped for Gen 3 front blocks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/22490.jpg
Empire

The Dragon 2.5 is an update of the popular Gen 2 Dragon. It includes an Empire frame (or in some cases a 2k5 frame) with updated electroncis, and Gen 3 front block, and Gen 3 internals (?).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/dragon2.jpg
Dragon 2.5

The 2k5 incorporates a Gen 2 body, front block, and internals with an updated frame and electronics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/2k5.jpg
2k5

Generation 3

Gen 3 Intimidators, a refinment of the Empire, were released in late 2003. The have a shorter body and bolt, redesigned trigger frame with an LCD screen in the grip area, smaller eye covers, delrin poppet, new ram sleeve and smaller LPR. The bumper was removed from the ram and placed on they ram cap instead. They also came with Frenzy boards, a new wiring harness, and faster Humphrey's solenoid.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/alias.jpg
Alias

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/renditionqf6.jpg
Rendition Alias

Same body as an Alias with some stock upgrades and custom anodizing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/naughty.jpg
Naughty Dogs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/russian.jpg
Russian Legion

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/abomb.jpg
Atomix (A Bomb)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/Dark3.jpg
Dark

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/05lasoya.jpg
05 Lasoya

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/05shocktech.jpg
05 Shocktech

The Ripper 1.25 is often mislabled as the Ripper 1.5.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ripper15_002.jpg
Ripper 1.25

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ripper2.jpg
Ripper 2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ripper2-1.jpg
Ripper 2.5

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/hellwood.jpg
Hellwood


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/4ie9b80.jpg
Miami Rage D2 team Alias

Generation 4

This is the most recent incarnation of the Intimidator. The largest changes are a smaller body, shorter bolt, new trigger frame, and new internals that feature a pressure balanced poppet. This allows the marker to use a much lower LPR pressure which helps reduce kick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/06empire.jpg
Empire

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/infamous.jpg
Infamous

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/ripper3-1.jpg
Ripper 3

I hope this is helpful. Again, if you find any errors or have any suggestions let me know.

-Andy

[crankwalk]

Generation 5

The fifth generation intimidator is probably the biggest change to the line since Generation 2. The clamshell from has been replaced by a frame similar to those found on the Marq. The front block has been eliminated and instead the LPR screws directly into the body and the vertical ASA has been incorperated into the frame. The balanced poppet has been changed back to a standard poppet, and the ram cap has be redesigned. Also, macroline and a bottomline ASA are now included stock. :tup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/protege.jpg
Protege (bcoffron's marker)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Andymi86/Timmy%20Library/vice.jpg
Vice (pballkm21's marker)

Generation 6

The sixth generation Intimidator picks up where Gen 5 left off. The most noticeable to change when first looking at the gun is the lack of macro line and fittings. All of the air passages from the ASA to the regulator are internal; similar to the Marq Victory. The body is probably the most unique part of the marker. It is made in two piece the split through the feedneck area. This allows for more complicated internal milling that would be difficult or impossible on traditional one piece bodies. Unlike previous intimidators, the vertical ASA is now incorporated into the body of the marker. Also, this is the first intimidator to be made without a ramsleeve. This decreases the overall height of the marker and puts the bolt and ram closer together which should decrease kick. Finally, the solenoid is mounted to a manifold that Bob refers to as the "heart" of the marker. This allows for the solenoid to be mounted directly to the manifold without having any hoses attached it. This allows for clean air flow through through the marker and simplified maintenance.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs708.snc4/62832_440809621796_47809326796_4852425_4504525_n.j pg

[outrageous]

thank you.

[mcsquid86]

Thanks andymi86, I needed to know the difference between the ripper 2 and ripper 2.5

[andymi86]

I forgot about this thread, but I am updating it right now with the Gen 5 guns.

[NVme_10]

so what is the empire marker considered exactly? 02 or 05? is it a good marker?

[crankwalk]

Its more of an 04 and a half. It partly 05'd but it has some 02 characteristics. For example it has an 05 style grip frame with 05 electronics inside, but the LPR has 02 internals (unlike the Aliases which had all new, smaller internals), and the body is 2k2 style in which it takes 2k2 bolts (as opposed to Aliases which took shorter Alias bolts), 2k2 eye covers, and 2k2/Cocker threaded feednecks.

The stock ram was a 2k2 style ram with bumper removed, but came with a different "spike" style adjustable ram cap with its own o-ring bumper installed on the cap itself.

Also the ram sleeve is an 02 style with the flat sealing face which usually required an 02 poppet/cupseal combo but BLAST created a special poppet just for the Empire, called the Empire poppet - where it is like the Alias poppet with integrated sealing head and no cupseal, but works in the 2k2 ram sleeve. Also unique to the Empire is the Empire front block, which looks almost exactly like an Alias front block but has a threaded hole in the front exactly like a 2k2 front block so it would fit in 2k2 style bodies with non-threaded bodies. Alias style front blocks just have a non-threaded divit in that area that holds the tip of the grub screw which is held in place due to a threaded Alias body (so its basically reversed.. in 2k2s the front block was threaded, in Aliases the body was threaded to minimize the chance of the block coming loose as it often did in 2k2 style bodies)

And to answer your other question - It is a great marker, as all Timmies are :)

[pbfrenzy44]

Crankwalk- u said the empire took a 2k2 ram sleeve. Well, in mine, i put an alias style ramsleeve with an empire poppit and it still works. does that mean anything?

[crankwalk]

hmm.. its not supposed to work! lol. if it is a true empire poppet with the head that is meant for a flat faced 2k2 ram sleeve. but stranger things have happened. You sure you didn't install an alias poppet instead? they look very similar

[pbfrenzy44]

yea im positive. the alias poppets are smaller than the empires, the empire's look kinda like...big mushrooms? Lol (only way i could explain it)

[crankwalk]

hmm okay cool then i guess an empire poppet will work with an Alias sleeve!

haha big mushroom, yeah i think that's about right :D

[rauleetoe]

whats the differences between the GZ and the Z intimidator, i think ive been calling my timmy a GZ when it looks just like that 'Z' intimidator,down the anno job on it

[mcsquid86]

The frame on the GZ is a 45 frame, and the Z is a clameshell frame.

[NVme_10]

crankwalk thanks for the reply. So is short terms it is kinda hard to figure out what parts to get for the empire marker?

[crankwalk]

NVme_10: You can basically put in whatever parts you want. You are however limited to using only a 2k2 bolt, and the front block must be internally threaded (like a 2k2 block) unless you have the body tapped to accept the Alias front block. Everything else should bolt on to the Empire. If you have more specific questions please feel free to PM me, like if you want to know will a particular part you're interested in will work with your marker.

[corey022682]

nice work

[Gee Tee]

Just to open a can of worms...

My own Empire 2.5 has a tapped hole at front of body for a grub screw, rather than the 2K2 style plain hole & tapped front block described by Crankwalk. There's a chance that it was modded at some stage in it's history, but I do have a spare empire body and that's exactly the same :confused:

I'm in the process of putting together a 2nd Empire from parts, so interested to hear what options others have used in similar builds?

[crankwalk]

Gee Tee: guaranteed, you've received two bodies that were pre-modded. Factory Empire I bodies are the 2k2 style, where the front block screw hole is not tapped and the front block is.

[Gee Tee]

Ahh I see thanks :)

What I assumed to be the original front block on my empire has a divot for grub screw rather than tapped hole, so there's a good chance this was swapped at the same time? I guess an original Empire block should have had a tapped hole instead - as for a 2K2 timmy?

[crankwalk]

Indeed, it seems someone swapped the original Empire block for an Alias block in your case. The original Empire block has the tapped hole exactly like a 2k2 front block would. This is why thie original Empire block is such a sought-after part for those that are 2k5ing older markers.

[LunchboxMischke]

you guys should replace that shocktech 05 pic with my gat cuz its sex

[jmtadena]

When will this be updated? =)

[gamer565]

When will this be updated? =)

:facepalm:

it is up to date

[GOD]

When will this be updated? =)

Soon as you learn how to divide by zero. :tup:

[jmtadena]

Oh Damn! It is! lol i fail at life.

I was thinking the victory needs to be updated onto here but it's not a timmy.

cool cool.

[GOD]

I figured that's what you were thinking lol.
I kinda think it may be cool to have a Marq Library in the Marq section...

[JonoTwist]

time to update this *****. lol

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs708.snc4/62832_440809621796_47809326796_4852425_4504525_n.j pg

[crankwalk]

Full update for Gen6 now included.

[Bones518]

why did the gen5 change back to the older popit design rather than using the gen4 pressure balanced one?

[Megatron]

The gen4 pressure balance design was hit or miss... many users experienced problems with it.

[Gee Tee]

hmm okay cool then i guess an empire poppet will work with an Alias sleeve!

haha big mushroom, yeah i think that's about right :D

FWIW I tried two Alias poppets in my Empire 1 and neither sealed properly. Which is odd as they both look very similar.

[the incubus]

The gen4 pressure balance design was hit or miss... many users experienced problems with it.
Not exactly accurate. The GEN4 was released at the very last moment and it was decided that perhaps it was a bit too premature. The Original Poppet was found to be an issue ONLY because of how far down it was threaded onto the shaft which would in turn create 2 issues... One was the length of the shaft would end up being a hair too short which would not allow the proper volume of air to enter the system, ending up with fluctuations in consistency & velocity. The other thing it did was cock the Delrin Poppet head a bit off center so a perfect seal was hit or miss. I was sent one of the Original Poppets that was assembled properly by Ron Nelson and NEVER had a single issue but eventually changed it out to the 3rd (final/brass) iteration of the Poppet which is still going strong in My Empire 2. I only changed because I was told it was better but I liked the original one just fine.

The only other issues GEN4's experienced were the Rocket Valve Cap was originally machined to thin in the support areas and some eventually snapped. BLAST/Ripper Machinist remedied this by redesigning those key points on the Rocket cap thicker with more meat, essentially making them bullet proof.

I as well as everyone who has shot my EmpireII Timmy loves how well it shoots and it's compact size is fantastic.

[Megatron]

Not exactly accurate. The GEN4 was released at the very last moment and it was decided that perhaps it was a bit too premature. The Original Poppet was found to be an issue ONLY because of how far down it was threaded onto the shaft which would in turn create 2 issues... One was the length of the shaft would end up being a hair too short which would not allow the proper volume of air to enter the system, ending up with fluctuations in consistency & velocity. The other thing it did was cock the Delrin Poppet head a bit off center so a perfect seal was hit or miss. I was sent one of the Original Poppets that was assembled properly by Ron Nelson and NEVER had a single issue but eventually changed it out to the 3rd (final/brass) iteration of the Poppet which is still going strong in My Empire 2. I only changed because I was told it was better but I liked the original one just fine.

The only other issues GEN4's experienced were the Rocket Valve Cap was originally machined to thin in the support areas and some eventually snapped. BLAST/Ripper Machinist remedied this by redesigning those key points on the Rocket cap thicker with more meat, essentially making them bullet proof.

I as well as everyone who has shot my EmpireII Timmy loves how well it shoots and it's compact size is fantastic.

.... or this:o

[lopez17]

What a lot of people don't realize is that there were actually several iterations of the Delrin poppet that they tested too. 4thDegree on PBR and PBN actually tried a bunch of them out for Terry and BLAST as he had one of the first Empire 2's off the line. Eventually they went to the more stable brass poppet design. If you have the brass poppet you really shouldn't have any issues. My Ripper 3 came with it and I've had zero problems in 4 1/2 years.

[lopez17]

Prototype Ironmen Intimidator

http://home.comcast.net/~trogers17/paintball/images/prototype_ironman.jpg

[GOD]

Why is the TS G6R not up there yet?

[oakstrey]

Man I still have my classic and I remember when I got it. From the moment I saw and held it I had to have it. I got it when auto cockers ruled and angels were starting to pick up. I got made fun of for rolling with the timmy. Actually I still get razzed when I use it.

[4N2NR]

BLDirect is updating their site and a lot of old links are returning a 404 error (page not found). If you need gun manuals try here:

an alternate source is http://paintballgunmanuals.com/bob-long-manuals .

[4N2NR]

The updated links to the manuals are:


Gen 1 Intimidator (Classic) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Classic%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%201%20Intimidator%20(Classic)%20Manual.pdf)

Gen 2 Intimidator (2K2) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/2k2%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%202%20Intimidator%20(2K2)%20Manual.pdf)

Gen 3 Intimidator (Alias) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Gen%203%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%203%20Intimidator%20(Alias)%20Manual.pdf)

Gen 4 Intimidator (I or E Model) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Gen%204%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%204%20Intimidator%20(I%20or%20E%20Model)%20Man ual.pdf)

Gen 5 Intimidator (Vice) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Vice%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%205%20Intimidator%20(Vice)%20Manual%20v2.0.pdf )

Gen 6 Intimidator (G6R) Manual
http://www.boblongdirect.com/v/vspfiles/photos/G6R%20Manual-1.jpg (http://manuals.boblongdirect.com/Gen%206%20Intimidator%20(G6R)%20Manual%20v1.0.pdf)

[jtran69]

which gen is the defiant 2?

[the incubus]

It's NOT an Intimidator per say. It is the GEN2 Defiant.

[jtran69]

poppet type?
In performance wise how does it bench? up againt timmy or marq?

[toolittletoolate]

Against a Timmy, they're garbage.

[the incubus]

TLTL,

I wouldn't say garbage. "IF" maintained properly and dawning my INVERTED PB Bolt, it was right on Par with the Intimidators. At least my 2 were as well as Bob's & Ron's D2's.

[toolittletoolate]

TLTL,

I wouldn't say garbage. "IF" maintained properly and dawning my INVERTED PB Bolt, it was right on Par with the Intimidators. At least my 2 were as well as Bob's & Ron's D2's.

Last D2 I shot was so badly maintained by the owner parts were falling off while shooting at the chrono station. Sometimes I feel like taking guns away from these idiot owners to save them, but he was on the other team so I didn't :painkiller:

[jtran69]

I found a good D2 info here, http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1576341
INVERTED PB Bolt for $38 shipped here, http://home.comcast.net/~sberant/ipb.html
D2 is sold on ebay for 109 plus 10 shipping -- it has 2k4 board. was it a good deal?

[Redakuma]

D2 garbage, gun. very poorly manufactured made oversea i believe do not by spend your money your money on a gen 3, for that price range