NecroRam is Here!

[necrolyte]

IOG EXCLUSIVE

Okay guys, so I know it's been rumored a while on the shoutbox and such about me working on some new stuff.

I've come up with the NecroRam. It's lighter than the stock ram, Eigen Ram, Epek Ram, and any other known ram to date. Weighing at only 5 grams compared to stock weight of 33 grams!

http://www.interiortechnology.net/necrolyte/necroram/newram.jpg


http://www.smugmug.com/photos/459993340_nr7uh-M-4.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/459993340_nr7uh-O-4.jpg)


This ram reduces all of the kick as I can tell. LPR pressure can be reduced, and we are hoping to see efficiency increase.

This is a Gen 1-3 Ram. Gen 4 and Gen 5 to come soon!

Currently in testing, not yet available for sale. The NecroRam comes as a kit as seen below.

http://www.interiortechnology.net/necrolyte/necroram/necroram_kit.jpg

The kit comes with the ram, an extra set of orings, spring, and washer. The washer is for what I call a 2k5 washer mod. The front block on a 2k5 has a larger flow hole, which means that the spring included will actually go into the front block. The washer is put in place to give the new spring something to sit on.

I will release a price for these kits once I get feedback from testers.

I do want to give thanks out to the current testers who should be recieving their kits in the mail soon.

OllieLeet
Bronze
Daigz
BigRed
Twisted_Mister
DFSniper

They will be reporting on how they like it, what it helps with, and overall comments.

I have done some personal testing with the ram in my ABomb, and have posted videos on YouTube. One test is me trying to shoot one handed and film, the other is my wife (who has NEVER shot a paintball marker before) unloading an entire Velocity Jr hopper. Pay attention to the marker, as she doesn't know how to control a marker like we do, and you can tell there is really no kick and very little barrel rise.

Videos Are Here! (http://www.youtube.com/necroballa)

More news soon!


EDIT
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Recieved stock Gen 4 and Stock Gen 5 Rams (Thanks Stew and Daigz!)
Gen 1-2 Stock Ram weight is 33 grams
Gen 3 Stock Ram weight is 29 grams
Gen 4 Stock Ram weight is 20 grams
Gen 5 Stock Ram weight is 34 grams

Already in mode to start beta testing for both of these rams. I'll post news as it comes!

[flipzz]

first win i want one

my names boxxy

[BigRed76]

Too bad TooLittleTooLate came up short! *snicker snicker*

[fivestring]

OOOOOOOO Me wanteee....this would be a very nice addition to my TS!!


What is it made out of if you will devulge that?

-Nick

[necrolyte]

I'd rather wait until after testing incase I need to change materials :)

[Monke]

hrm, you've got my attention...lol

[fivestring]

I figured that would be the case....trade secrets must be kept close.

Good luck w/ it, I can't wait see how it tests out.

[necrolyte]

I meant to add, if you noticed, this ram is a bumperless ram. You also do not need to use the 2k5 bumper ram cap if you don't want. It will work with either, however I HIGHLY recommend an adjustable ram cap.

The length is a tad longer than stock to make up for the ram bumper on the stock ram.

Enjoy guys, thanks for the feedback so far.

[Omega Ra]

does it have enough mass to open the poppit enough? I don't really know a Timmy operating system yet so not sure if Ram mass equates to the striker mass issues of a LP spyder.

[necrolyte]

Watch the videos :)

[Omega Ra]

nice :) I have the thumper ram..I assume it is lighter than mine as well?

[necrolyte]

Yes. I am very confident mine is the lightest on the market right now. I am unsure of the weight of the Thumper Ram.

Stock Ram - 33g
Eigen Ram - 13.3g
Epek Ram - 10.6g (without weights)
NecroRam - 5g

[Omega Ra]

I don't have a scale capable of those light weights so I can't weigh my ram, maybe I should pick one up..

[SlvrDragon50]

Necroram fails

Give them to me :D

[AirSin]

I believe the Kapp Thumper ram weighs somewhere around 15 grams, but don't quote me on that.

[Spyder Java]

Wow, nice ram... might have to get a hold of one once they come for sale.

[Philyoh]

good to hear that there's new product comming out for our timmys I for sure would purchase one. I do have a question necrolyte would you be including a board set up advice and what should be the lpr psi for this since its lighter than other typres of ram. Cant wait for this to come out.

[obladeo]

Seems that everyone is coming out with lighter rams at the min which is good. I'll be buying one for my tippmann x7 come pay day and will most probably buy this one too.

The only thing i would be worried about is the material used. I would at least put 10000 balls through it non stop to test friction and wear.

[Megatron]

I want one!!!!!!

[necrolyte]

The material is wear resistant and graphite filled. Its very nice stuff, and the plans are to put them through total hell :)

[DFSniper]

and the plans are to put them through total hell :)
oh yes :D

[flipzz]

can i throw it ?

[LunchboxMischke]

i want one

[flipzz]

u cant haz 1 ..... .yet ;)

[Daigz525]

I for one will be trying to run this ram into the ground. I will be putting at least 5000 balls through it in the first week of testing, the second week should be comperable.

I will also be recording my board settings before and after testing. I will be adjusting the settings as the testing progresses.

If anyone else has any other requests or suggestions on how you want these tested (yea, sure I'll throw it after all testing too!) please post them up and I will try to incorporate them!

~Daigz

[Killian! UDOWN?]

Why the **** Would you give Ollie one? He dont Play He says he plays but he isnt Agg enough so he dont get picked. :D

[Ollieleet]

Psh, I was picked first.

[flipzz]

well ur comin here rite ? so i can haz it too :luv:

[DFSniper]

i'm gonna shoot all my old paint and then reballs through it until i run out of air. may have to borrow my friend's 88/4.5k...

[necrolyte]

Sounds great. Can't wait to see test results. I'm anxious. :D

[flipzz]

i think im more anxious then u nec ;)

[bronze]

not too sure how i got picked but gonna be a ton of fun :)

[dynastywannab55]

if i get the bio-vice ill pick one up when you get the gen5's done.

[SpyderMan723]

do want :)

[Stewey956]

Gen4 ram sent out today guys, so soon they'll be available for testing.

[Daigz525]

Gen 5 ram will be sent out Friday morning to Necro!!!

[necrolyte]

Great, thanks guys. Can't wait to start prototyping :D

[SpyderMan723]

i really think you're onto something here chris.. :D:tup:

[Rob]

ooo. maybe ill have enough for one. look sinteresting.

[Stewey956]

Gen 5 ram will be sent out Friday morning to Necro!!!

Don't forget the spring like I did.

[flipzz]

lol i want i want

[bronze]

well guys i got it today. first impression is that necro didnt put the ram in the envelope. things are that crazy light. just by installing the ram my FPS went down over 20 fps with no other adjustments. Install was fast. the washer for the 2k5 block is really a peice of cake to install. The ram takes one ounce off the weight of the gun. Feels totally diffrent to me. Only issue was the ram cap. i had to remove the bumper to get the ram to work with my ram cap. the ram has reduced the noise and kick as well.

Other then that great first impressions with the necro ram and cant wait to beat the hell out of it this sunday.

[necrolyte]

That 20 fps drop was where you didnt install the spring yet, right? (still shooting on stock spring)

[bronze]

Correct. stock spring. that was with paint and i do have a chrono at home.

Solid first impression with this ram

[necrolyte]

Excellent feedback so far!

[flipzz]

good news :D me like me like

[ratinator]

been trying very hard to pick up eigenram, but havnt been able to find one. If the gains are as good as mentioned above i'll definately be picking one up. How are you gonna go about paying? paypal? website? pre orders?

[Stewey956]

It is still in the testing phase so that part hasn't been discussed too heavily.

Eigenrams can be bought directly from the seller ya know.

Lurker27 on PbN or go to his site which at this point is being remodeled.

[necrolyte]

Right now, like Stew mentioned, I am still in testing. Once I get testing results back, then I will go about getting a website up and getting more news out.

I will release that information when the time is right :)

Thanks guys.

[ratinator]

ive tried to contact lurker directly through his website and on pbnation. hasnt replied to any of my emails and ive been sending them before xmas

[Daigz525]

lurker is good, necroram may be better.

Just wait until the testing is completed!

[Stewey956]

ive tried to contact lurker directly through his website and on pbnation. hasnt replied to any of my emails and ive been sending them before xmas

Lurker is usually a very speedy responder through his PbN account.

[BigRed76]

I just got my ram in today, pictures and testing results to come.

First impressions:

Very nicely packaged, very easy to read instructions, and a nice logo. The material is well machined, and obviously had some time spent on it. Could have used a quick wipe-down before being sent off, but I have a feeling that the manufacture wanted these shipped out ASAP, and it isn't a real big deal anyways. The front oring groove is a bit "loose," but I'm sure that it will be fine during the course of use. The orings are Buna-Nitrile, which we all know aren't as durable as Urethane, but since there's two sets included (one set installed, one set spare) and they are the same as the ram orings you should already have for your Timmy, it is yet another null point. The new spring is truly lighter than the stocker by quite a bit, and I believe it might just be a little lighter than the Eigenram spring.

Just comparing the two rams side by side, the Necroram is extremely lightweight, and is actually much better machined than the stock (again, as we all know, Bob's tolerances were not the best).

The main possible problem I see with the replacement ram might be the lack of the ram bumper, as it's mere plastic on metal when it's hitting the rear cap. In the course of testing I will try gluing an oring to the rear of the Necroram and see if it affects performance by a bunch. I don't believe it would, and would make the ram have a much longer life. We shall see, though, as if it doesn't look damaged with the first thousand shots, I do not believe it will split until something radical happens.


The marker I will be using for testing will be the Shunut Spimmy. Reg's are a previous gen Sidewinder and a Hybrid Verdkit LPR, with an adjustable ram cap. Board is a WAS 2.9. The marker will be reset completely with the stock ram in to ensure that the conditions are fair during testing. After writing down my conclusions from testing with the stock ram (the performance of the stock ram is well known, however this is to show what the EXACT changes I make are), I will install the Necroram and retune the marker, and run my rigorous testing again.


Stay posted for more information!



As far as the Eigenram is, I'd put off a decision on anything and play with the stocker until the testing has been finished with this limited test run. Good or bad for the Necroram, the testing results will provide you with one more bit of information to help you make your decision for a new ram.

[toolittletoolate]

The main possible problem I see with the replacement ram might be the lack of the ram bumper, as it's mere plastic on metal when it's hitting the rear cap.

I'm pretty sure the ram isn't 'plastic' I believe its the same material he used to make his own ram bumpers. If I'm wrong I will buy you a Borg RX(yea sure like I'm serious):P

[BigRed76]

Yes, it is a form of plastic. Pictures of it will be up in a few minutes here. I'm just worried about it's size and weight being thrown into the ram cap's adjuster time after time at whatever PSI the LPR's set to with it. That was the reason why they used ram bumpers, afterall, as the stock ram would destroy the ram adjuster screw as it's simple brass. The weaker material always loses.

EDIT: TooLittleTooLate keeps pushing me to not call it a plastic, so I guess I will restate myself in order to not confuse anyone. It is a polymer, as is delrin and nylatron. It does not feel like a weak polymer, and I have no doubt that in the form of a ram it will last for quite a while. My worry lies in the longevity of the polymer on brass collision that happens every time you fire the marker. This is an issue I have brought up before, and testing will either prove or disprove my theory. At this point it is but theory, do not read too much into it. I have been known to be proven wrong in the past.

[necrolyte]

Good theory BigRed. I too am anxious to see the longitivity of it.

What gave me the idea to build the Necroram the way it is, was the course of me losing a couple of bumpers off the stock rams, they really don't seem to last long.

I machined new bumpers from the same material for my stock rams, and have used them for the last few months with no problems, so it was decided to just try the entire ram out of the same material, and tada - NecroRam :)

The material is a polymer based material. It *is* technically plastic, and you can call it plastic if you want. It's not delrin, delrin is too brittle for this application. This material is impact resistant and graphite filled, which makes it stronger than the normal polymer.

I have plans for an even stronger material (cast instead of extruded material), which will help with any shearing problems or large load problems.

I also wanted to post that I *did* break the original ram. The little piece in the front of the bolt pin groove sheared off. This was from my own stupidity during testing a month or so back. I was stress testing, up'd my HPR pressure to 400+ psi, and up'd the LPR pressure to 100 psi. This was also on the stock spring (way too tight).

From someone else's point of view (:)) it was on the same level of ramming a board into a brick wall. The brick wall being the poppet, and the board being the ram. The weak point gave way, being the slice in front of the bolt pin slot.

I since changed the design on that area, as you will notice on the ram's that went out, it is slightly different than the stock ram. The stock ram has a chamfer on this area, while mine is completely straight, this is to attempt to keep more strength in this area.

EDIT: I also wanted to add that the NecroRam is ACTUALLY longer than the stock ram. It actually the length of the stock ram PLUS the rubber bumper. Hence the no-need for the bumper, so you guys that use adjustable ram caps or not, don't have to worry because your adjustment should not change much from stock. The only one it may affect will be the Gen3 ram (Alias style) which is slightly different on the back (with the spike).

Thanks guys!

Who else has recieved theirs?

[crankwalk]

Very cool, looking forward to hearing more info about this ram!

[flipzz]

gonna be interesting*

[rasengan13]

looks good. can't wait to read the test results!

[Zephyr]

I'm very curious to see how the ram results turn out as it's looking awesome. nice job necrolyte!

[BigRed76]

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7166663_QJYdN#459995288_2hirm

I apologize for the blurry ones, I got lazy and used the old flimsy tripod that couldn't really handle the weight of my new camera. Also was shooting in F/2.8, so mainly the only thing in focus will be the object I was trying to take a picture of.

Necro: I know that that's what you did and why, but it still worries me. I'm going to be putting this sucker through hell, so if one of the tester's is going to break, it'll probably be mine, hahaha. I'd think that a removable piece like on the stock ram but made out of the same material is what my idea is. Then again, that little piece wouldn't have the strength of the larger ram altogether... hrm... I'll figure it out later on, I guess.

[Daigz525]

Just got my Gen 3 necro ram in today. I will be able to test this on Sunday when I got to the field. This is a really interesting material, I'm interested in seeing how this performs. If it is durable enough (my biggest concern) this could be a really amazing upgrade for a timmy!

Also, I just shipped out my Gen 5 ram and spring. The spring is not a standard spring, it widens out on one end so I'm not sure if you'll be able to find something to replace it but I sent that also for you!

I'll keep everyone updated!

~Daigz

[SpyderMan723]

i want efficiency tests, on video, NAO!

:)

[flipzz]

NAO!!

[DFSniper]

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7166663_QJYdN#459995288_2hirm

I apologize for the blurry ones, I got lazy and used the old flimsy tripod that couldn't really handle the weight of my new camera. Also was shooting in F/2.8, so mainly the only thing in focus will be the object I was trying to take a picture of.

Necro: I know that that's what you did and why, but it still worries me. I'm going to be putting this sucker through hell, so if one of the tester's is going to break, it'll probably be mine, hahaha. I'd think that a removable piece like on the stock ram but made out of the same material is what my idea is. Then again, that little piece wouldn't have the strength of the larger ram altogether... hrm... I'll figure it out later on, I guess.

yours is black? funny, mine looks JUST like the one in the pic... i wonder why? :rolleyes:

necroram #1 came in today. and as soon as tim hooks me up with his spare membrane pad, testing will begin!

[necrolyte]

Glad to see everyone is getting theirs. One more to be delivered and the weekend is here!! *crossers fingers*

[Iram]

This could be interesting. I've been thinking about picking up an aftermarket ram to make it easier to debounce my timmy.

[battlechaser]

One upgrade you might want to recommend with this to avoid any wear issues, at least on the back of the ram, would be a Hybrid Bumperless AP knob, as the ram bumper is attached to the cap. Though the ram might need shortening to compensate.

[necrolyte]

Yep, the ram would have to be shortened to accomdate any bumpers.

[necrolyte]

Please continue using this thread to comment. I have started another thread for test results only!

[necrolyte]

Also wanted to add.

For ordering, I believe the first batch of NecroRams will be Pre-Order. This will give me an idea of how many rams need to me made and would give me a good idea of the interest.

The pre-order would probably be open for a week, then I would do a batch, and then ship. I would be able to turn them around fairly fast, so there would be very little wait time on a pre-order.

With the interest in them, it would give me an idea too of how many I could stock on the shelf for those that miss the pre-order.

Thanks guys, let me know what you think about this.

[flipzz]

FIRST :win:

[Timmycuddler]

oooooooo me wants one tooo

[thesilverbullet]

you know how i want mine :D

[flipzz]

damn i thought i was this was a new thread an i was first lol :facepalm:

[Stewey956]

Way to go rofl.

I'll be the 1st with a Gen4 version. :P

[flipzz]

no ... ill buy a gen4 just to have first :D

[Stewey956]

They won't be up for sale until testing is done!

[Zephyr]

I want one, though i'm not sure how tight i'll be on money when the ram comes out so i'll be in touch!

[flipzz]

o d/w stewbert i shall pwn u ! :P

[SlvrDragon50]

Dam.. so someone go steal Ollie's ram and do the testing for him so we dont need to wait 13 days.

[Ollieleet]

Dam.. so someone go steal Ollie's ram and do the testing for him so we dont need to wait 13 days.

How about you just wait for it..? Testing takes time..:facepalm:

[Stewey956]

o d/w stewbert i shall pwn u ! :P

:)

Dam.. so someone go steal Ollie's ram and do the testing for him so we dont need to wait 13 days.

Yea, sure haha.

How about you just wait for it..? Testing takes time..:facepalm:

Yip, most people can't be playing paintball 3-4 times a week.

[flipzz]

gimme his addy and its miien! hes only like 4 hours away!

[SlvrDragon50]

You don't need to go pballing. Just buy a case of paint and shoot at a tree :)

I only pball like once every one-four months lol

[Ollieleet]

you do understand 2 weeks for testing isn't a lot of time at all? I really hate to sound like a jerk but if you want a quality product don't rush it.

[BigRed76]

Troof... chill out people, it'll be done soon enough.

[toolittletoolate]

Troof... chill out people, it'll be done soon enough.

Ha!!! With you not balling I can't see how your testing will get done:rolleyes:. While your out screwing around I was playing yesterday.:P:D

[necrolyte]

Okay guys, no need to rush anything. Calm down :)

[Squirlly]

Go to walmart and get 2 cases of MonsterBalls then go to the local pound ad get 30 cats.....

Let the tesing begin!

-Tim

[crankwalk]

One upgrade you might want to recommend with this to avoid any wear issues, at least on the back of the ram, would be a Hybrid Bumperless AP knob, as the ram bumper is attached to the cap. Though the ram might need shortening to compensate.

Yep, the ram would have to be shortened to accomdate any bumpers.

Here is what worries me unless I'm misunderstanding - a lot of people are using the Hybrid AP Knob (adjustable ram cap) with the built in bumper because its one of the *best* upgrades for Intimidators

http://www.deopaintball.com/t_images/APknobL-1.jpg

So the NecroRam in its stock longer form would need to be shortened to work with these types of ram caps? What type of ram cap do you use or did you use as a basis for developing the size specs of this ram? Just curious what kind of cap this ram is designed to work best with or was originally designed for :tup:

[Daigz525]

Good point crank, I have an extra hybrid ram cap and will put that on the marker for the next run of testing. I used the stock ram cap for the first round and it worked well so far.

[necrolyte]

I actually based it off a 2k2 hybrid adjustable ram cap, and then took a look at my ram cap like you show there, I have one in my Alias.

Both works no problem. Bronze even asked about the same thing, and turns out that removing the rubber piece from that cap (which is fairly easy) makes the fit perfect, and he has had no problems.

The only reason for the added length was to get rid of the stock 2k2 bumper (I wasnt think about the Gen3 ram when I done them), but it actually works great either way.

I'm glad Daigz has had good luck so far :)

[crankwalk]

Thanks for the info. I don't know how many people would be keen on removing the rubber bumper on the hybrid cap.. the brass end on that cap strikes me as a little thin (I'm looking at one now) and the rubber bumper on that cap would seem to me to spread out and absorb the impact over that area.

And yeah, the Hybrid AP Knob and the Bob Long brand adjustable Alias bumperless ram cap are identical in design :D

[bronze]

Video. i didnt read the gauge correctly on the tank. it did go down 500psi for 2 pods. Pause the video and u will see.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/bronzealero/?action=view&current=100_0546.flv

btw i got the myth ping a bit but whatever:P

[Squirlly]

Video. i didnt read the gauge correctly on the tank. it did go down 500psi for 2 pods. Pause the video and u will see.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/bronzealero/?action=view&current=100_0546.flv

btw i got the myth ping a bit but whatever:P

Should have built a snow man... Put a pict of Ollie's face on the head then lit it UP! that would have been a fun vid to watch :D

-Tim

[SpyderMan723]

lol squirlly

[necrolyte]

Great vid bronze. That thing is ripping! 500 psi on ~280 rounds isnt terrible.

What is your opinion on the ram cap issue posted above since you are using it without the bumper?

[Seb_RH]

! 500 psi on ~280 rounds isnt terrible.


isnt terrible....INST TERRIBLE!! thast freaken awesome if you ask me! thats around 2,000 for a 4500 fill! can you say EPIC! lol

Edit: i just quickly put some number together and its around 2,520 balls for a 4500 fill! still EPIC! lol

[Iram]

isnt terrible....INST TERRIBLE!! thast freaken awesome if you ask me! thats around 2,000 for a 4500 fill! can you say EPIC! lol

Edit: i just quickly put some number together and its around 2,520 balls for a 4500 fill! still EPIC! lol

Without a chronograph though. If it was only shooting 250, it becomes less impressive. Plus, you'll probably start seeing starvation issues around 400-500 psi (if not higher), so you're probably not REALLY getting that good efficiency.

[necrolyte]

Bronze was chrono'd at 260, which is what he was planning to shoot at, which is their reball limit where he is.

[Diablo3585]

Bronze was chrono'd at 260, which is what he was planning to shoot at, which is their reball limit where he is.

well lets say you want it at like 300?

[necrolyte]

It can be turned up no problem by adjusting the HPR. It will reduce some of the shots you can get off a full fill obviously.

I'll tell everyone to try to check what they are seeing at 300 fps and maybe we can do some math off that.

[Stewey956]

I will be shootin at or near 300.

[bronze]

i have a hand held chrono at home. was average 260, highest is 275. I forgot to get a shot of the chrono. and was about 280 balls. used 20 or so to chrono it before shooting.
as for effiencyit is improve. before necro ram about 1800 shots for a tank.

The ram cap issues is resolved. Simply removing the bumper allowed me to run the gun. no wear on the ram and the ram cap is not mushrooming out. The ram fits like a glove in the ram cap.

[Stewey956]

Sweetness.

[flipzz]

:facepalm: i fail at forums lol

[necrolyte]

Updated first thread with news. Listed all stock ram weights from Gen 1 to Gen 5.

[Stewey956]

Kinda surprised to see the smaller Gen5 ram to be heavier.

[SlvrDragon50]

Thats rather odd.. At least that means we will have a massive improvement :)

I would guess it has something to do with the pillow bolt though...

[Stewey956]

I just figured it out, the gen5 rams are short and stubby. Short, buy still wide. So that is where the weight is from.

Oh, and with the Gen4 rams, Chris is thinking about just using the Gen3s since they have the same O-Ring replacement and are just a bit longer, and with gen4s having adjustable ram caps, that isn't a problem.

Besides, if he cloned the Gen4 ram, we'd be pushing the limit of "Too Light" seeing as it would be around 3 grams haha.

[rjfrider]

Nec: Do you need a beta tester for a GZ? lmk - rider

[Daigz525]

Update: testing of the GEN 3 ram went really well this week, I had to pull off my bumper too but it doesn't seem to be an issue yet. I will be getting more air on sunday when i ref a tourney

Also great news that the Gen 4 and 5 rams will be done up soon (I have both if you need a tester Chris!!)

[southernsteel]

necro, if you need another gen4 tester, I'll be more than happy to help.

[necrolyte]

Thanks. I'll keep you in mind!

MODS can I get someone to clean up all the above stuff? :)

[ratinator]

personally efficiency isn't a huge factor in me buying this ram. I get unlimited air all day and I usually fill my 68/45 before every game anyhhow....my huge selling factor is:

1. reduced kick and smooth shooting
2. reduced marker weight (1ounce is alot)
3. softer on paint

i know these all play hand in hand with effiency, but still i dont care if i get 200 balls less

[necrolyte]

As of right now, the reduction of kick and smoother shooting is amazing, ask any of the testers.

Reduced marker weight is also a plus. 1 oz does make a big difference.

Softer on paint? Well, so far I have actually had 0 barrel breaks or breech breaks in the last 2000 rounds. It is so nice not having to clean the barrel out :)

If you watch Bronze's video in the snow, he shoots 280 or so rounds in the snow, which I know its GOTTA be cold there....with no breaks.

The next step will be a Necrobolt....to help with the soft on paint issue.

[Iram]

Any ETA on when these will be available to the public?

[Stewey956]

At least another month of testing is at hand.

I too would like a necro bolt....If it could model from the VP bolt that'd be awesome.

[necrolyte]

Just waiting on testing. I would like to see all of the testers to get 2000+ shots on their rams just to check for wear to give everyone peace of mind.

Maybe in the next couple of weeks I can get a Pre-Order going. I will let everyone know, I promise :)

IOG will have first dibs.

[Stewey956]

Wewwt.

[bronze]

yup zero breaks. i left the gun and the pod of paint outside in 15 degree weather for a good 20 minutes before shooting.

gives me an idea for new video. frozen paint:o

and guys its been a week with the ram. it's looking like a solid ram but i want to every angle with it.

[Stewey956]

NO wear whatsoever yet?

[Ollieleet]

On mine I've shot & dry fired quite a bit less than bronze, but zero wear here.

[bronze]

Only wear i was worried about is the ram cap. my mind is at ease cause the ram is milled in such a way that it doesnt hit the ram cap like the stock ram. Necro ram is convex at the end. so there is no flat surface hitting my ram cap. i'll get pics tomorrow. maybe fragile paint test or kick or me just dry firing the gun until the tank emtpies and check for wear

[Stewey956]

I wanna see a barrel rise test.

[southernsteel]

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but I think I have an idea of what's going on.

Gen 3 testing is in commencement and pre order is happening soon. I'm assuming that after the gen 3 sale, gen 4 testing/designing will be going on?

[Stewey956]

Gen3 testing will last for another week or 2.

Gen4 prototype will be out in a week or 2.

Gen3 sales will start in maybe a month or 2.

Gen4s, 2-3 months.

[necrolyte]

Maybe all sooner actually. I am hoping to have a Gen 4 and Gen 5 prototype out in 1-2 weeks. Then testing can begin with those. Gen 1-3 pre-order may be in as little as 2-3 weeks.

[Daigz525]

Maybe all sooner actually. I am hoping to have a Gen 4 and Gen 5 prototype out in 1-2 weeks. Then testing can begin with those. Gen 1-3 pre-order may be in as little as 2-3 weeks.

WoooooHoooooooo gen 4 and 5 soon!!!

[Stewey956]

Oh yea, git some Daigz. Haha.

[noob4life]

ok i got a question? if i get this ram how much lower can i go if i am already running my timmy at 40psi to 45psi lpr, dwell at 12, inline reg at 180, gun shoots at 298, 295, 301, depending on paint and bore matching

my set up is
cotton candy blue alias
virtue board
volumzier- the thing that makes it so low on lpr is the big volumizer
bob long new reg
hybird ram cap
alias new ram 30grams
alias stock noid
shocktech bolt
stock bolt pin
45/45 cp lp tank
i get like 7 pods and hopper on a full fill
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/sleeperyde/IMG_0182.jpg

[BigRed76]

Most likely it will drop your dwell down and you will get another pod or two.

[necrolyte]

Yeah, I agree with BigRed on this. Your LPR is already so low, that is amazing! You should be able to drop your dwell down and be able to pick up a tad more effiency out of it.

Btw: Sweet Alias. I love that color.

[southernsteel]

Hrm. If I was to buy the gen 3 ram, would I have use the spring provided? I've got a pretty light spring that let me drop the lpr to ~50 psi. No volumizer, stock ram, stock bolt. Dwell at 12.

[necrolyte]

The reason it comes with a spring is that I have found that it works best with the ram.

It will come with the spring reguardless, so it would be your choice to run what you want. It is just highly recommended you run the included spring.

Its also light enough to help with load on the ram. I can't say whether your spring would do the same, so if the ram were to break and you weren't using the designed spring, itd be hard to say that the ram was too weak or something else. Know what I mean?

I just have to say use the recommeneded spring, once you get it, you can do with it what you like. :)

[gamer565]

cant wait for these to start selling.

need one for my ripper2.5

[Monke]

how much you thinking as a price tag? i might need 3 of them :X hopefully not an arm and a leg...

:)

[BigRed76]

They won't steal your arm or your leg, but they won't be free. ;)

[necrolyte]

That's one thing that is taking a bit as well on my part. I am trying to keep the production costs and material costs down so that I can be competitive with the other aftermarket rams on the market.

The material is a specially made material that we use at my work for other processes in large plants, so it is a bit pricey. No worries though, I am shooting for the $30-35 range for everything, including shipping.

[Stewey956]

Oh yea......SOLID price Chris.

[Diablo3585]

Yea that's a good price.

[TeamChaos99]

i want one of these

[Tipp98ChopShop]

This looks really cool. Im only getting my gun this week so I of course want to use it a little bit so I could feel the difference but this deffenetly is sounding pretty interesting! ill also wait to see what everyone else is saying after they get theirs

[SparkyGT]

im interested in the reduced kick, very cool your making these! wish i still did some machining now LOL

and nice alias noob4life!

[Gee Tee]

Are you in a position to start shipping these yet?

Very interested in a kit :D

[Stewey956]

All rams are still in its testing phase. Testers of the Gen1-3 ram have received their rams and have begun testing.

[noob4life]

im interested in the reduced kick, very cool your making these! wish i still did some machining now LOL

and nice alias noob4life!

thanks you.. i am also going to do my gen4 that color as well... my gun doesnt have any kick but i am looking forward to dropping my dwell down..

[Iram]

Will these rams fit a Gen2 ramsleeve that has a ram cap without a bumper? Do they need a bumper attached to the back of the ram?

[necrolyte]

Yes, they will fit directly into a Gen2 without any modifications needed. They are longer to compensate the Gen2's bumper, so a bumper is not needed, though it is highly recommended to get an adjustable ram cap!

Thanks!

(These were originally designed for Gen 2 markers, and just happened to work in Gen 3 as well!)

[Iram]

Great. I've got an AIM adjustable ram cap, and I wanted to make sure they would fit.

Any ETA? February? March?

[necrolyte]

Hoping for the end of this month!

[Stewey956]

Yes! Awesome.

[Omega Ra]

I forget what gen my timmy is...2k5

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/Omegara/Paintball/IMG_0069.jpg

have to take a pic with the new feedneck

[DFSniper]

Will these rams fit a Gen2 ramsleeve that has a ram cap without a bumper? Do they need a bumper attached to the back of the ram?

Yes, they will fit directly into a Gen2 without any modifications needed. They are longer to compensate the Gen2's bumper, so a bumper is not needed, though it is highly recommended to get an adjustable ram cap!

Thanks!

(These were originally designed for Gen 2 markers, and just happened to work in Gen 3 as well!)
I'm running a 2k5 timmy with a 2k2 ram cap, and it fits fine. as soon as my membrane pad gets in, i'll get some results in (sorry chris, i forgot my gun doesnt work :P)

[bronze]

quick update.:D http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/bronzealero/paintball/?action=view&current=100_0555.flv

[Omega Ra]

it cracked?

[TheRealFatShady]

Looks good. May want one for my Lasoya or Texas Storm.

[necrolyte]

Nope, no cracks. Great to see bronze!! Thanks for the video. I hope that shows everyone how even the other ram caps work with the ram.

GREAT!

Two cases plus reballing all day with no wear or anything. That is AWESOME.

[DFSniper]

bronze, is that a 2k5 cap without the bumper? i would suggest keeping the bumper if you have one, because you'll just need to screw it out some to make up for the extra length.

[bronze]

no cracks, no issues at all. i even dry fired my tank from 2500psi and killed the tank. Set the LPR to 100 beore i did that. That video is taken after i did all of that.

The ram cap is a 2k5. With the bumper installed with the necro ram my bolt had no room in the breech. Even with all the ram cap adjusted all the way out. so i just run bumperless

[DFSniper]

thats odd, because mine worked fine with the bumper.

[bronze]

Maybe cause dragons use 2k2 bolts. i assume ur using the dark timmy in ur sig, thats alias bolt. Maybe the brand of the ram cap has something to do with it also.

[DFSniper]

yeah, im using the Function bolt and a BL ram cap.

[Omega Ra]

oh okay, when I watched the video I couldn't hear it very well, due to the amount of noise here in my warehouse, thought I heard something about a crack. Glad I misheard :)

[BMAN]

well when for 06 infamous?

[Stewey956]

He is still workin on making the Gen4 version.

[necrolyte]

I am mocking up the Gen4 and Gen5 rams now. I hope for something soon.

[kobu]

so are you going to make some rams for the gen4's ??(empire 2)

[Ollieleet]

I am mocking up the Gen4 and Gen5 rams now. I hope for something soon.

so are you going to make some rams for the gen4's ??(empire 2)

yeah.

[Stewey956]

Gen4....EmpireII, Infamous, and Ripper3.

[Ollieleet]

Alright, I did a little bit of umm..not sure what to call it so we'll just say I beat the crap out of it...

Tools use:
Hammer
Socket Wrench
5 Iron
Various hits to hard tile

After all this the ram was still in perfect condition, so all of you that are worried about the material, don't be. no physical damage what so ever, no scratches, no dings, nothing at all. So if you're the kind of person that likes throwing their ram on the floor, beating it with a golf club, or even just enjoys hitting it with a hammer this is perfect for you!

[necrolyte]

That is SO funny. Just hearing him curse while doing these test was worth laughing all night :)

I think this is the best conversation:
[20:49] ollieleet: grabbed the socket wrench and gave it a beating
[20:49] ollieleet: nothing
[20:49] ollieleet: damnit
[20:49] ollieleet: I hate this
[20:51] ollieleet: found a 5 iron..
[20:52] Necrolyte17: lol
[20:52] Necrolyte17: FOOORRRRRRRE
[20:53] ollieleet: this thing got a savage beating
[20:53] ollieleet: and is perfect
[20:53] Necrolyte17: you hit it with the 5 iron?
[20:53] ollieleet: smashed it with one
[20:53] Necrolyte17: ROFL

[SpyderMan723]

lulzzz

[toolittletoolate]

lmao, nice.

[Stewey956]

Owsome.

[BigRed76]

After I finish long-term testing I will request a brand new ram to play "How Many Hits with Tim's Stiletto Does it Take" with. :D (a Stiletto is a titanium hammer, I have the largest version, a 16oz, which is about a 28oz hammer as far as impact goes muahahaha! :D)

[Iram]

Hoping for the end of this month!

Any chance I can buy one of the beta rams and get it shipped for a scenario game on the 28th?

[necrolyte]

All beta rams are with testers right now. I don't have any!

I am in process of ordering material for 100 rams, ordering just as many springs, orings, washers, etc.

Then they still have to be all machined once the material comes in.

I MAY can have one to you by the 28th, but no promises!

[flipzz]

im #1 on the preorder list so all u *****es can suck my bawls :eeps:

and ive been slacking on this thread so bad :( sorry nec

[Stewey956]

Lol, Flipzz.

We testers r leet, like Ollie.

[ratinator]

please put me down for a preorder...i have a stock ram and i have pretty much been sold on this ram...im not gonna bother looking for a eigen anymore

[Stewey956]

Lookin for an Eigen? Why bother when there are these?

Well, no preorders yet, testing isn't done.

[flipzz]

Lookin for an Eigen? Why bother when there are these?

Well, no preorders yet, testing isn't done.

hush newb i haz unlimited preorders. ram ill sell u a preorder for 50$ :cool:

[Stewey956]

Who is ram?

[necrolyte]

OK, just did a quick test with the necroram.
Chrono'd in at ~280FPS
Dwell 12
LPR ~50psi
I only shot about a bag through it just to see how it is.
Very little barrel rise, mainly due to the bolt cycling.
I got a bag out of ~900psi from my 88/45 LP tank.
Like Bronze I had to remove the ram bumper from my Hybrid ram cap for the bolt to clear the breach properly.

When I first got the ram the ram DID NOT FIT. I was told by BR that it fit in his Spimmy, but it DID NOT FIT in my 2k2 ramsleeve. Necro says that the ramsleeves are .250" and the ram I have was also .250" so it wouldn't fit into the small section of the sleeve to hit the poppet. Necro also said he milled the rams down to .247" so they would fit but alas mine was .250". So after a minute or two on a drill and file I filed then sanded it down to the correct OD and now it fits perfect. Necro and I have already discussed this and he has resolved the issue.
I will be doing further testing on the ram in the very near future so this post will either get updated or I'll just do a new one.

The issue with the fitment I think is the tolerance in the Ram Sleeve. I don't think any other tester has had this problem.

The Ram Sleeve is a 0.250" hole, and the oring measures 0.253" which creates the seal. I hand machined all of the beta rams, so I can see some tolerance issues. I machined them all to 0.247" but with them being small and flexing, I can see where it moved 0.003", and made it too tight.

The production rams will be different, as I'm changing the tolerances down, and they should all be 0.240", which gives tons of play in that area. Also, they will all be done on a CNC Lathe, where as they will all be identical, and faster production work :)

I'm glad this happened as it finally gives me a design change!

[southernsteel]

My gen 4 just got back from blast last week and works amazing. Like I said before, I'll be more than happy to help with gen 4 testing.

[necrolyte]

Yep will let you know. I've been so swamped at work, I havent had a chance to get prototypes made :)

That and I'm waiting on my Protege to come in to start working on Gen 5.

[BMAN]

Count me in. I want and I'm willing to help.. necrolyte how about the dvd player? anyluck?

[Stewey956]

Lol, "testers" jumping aboard for a free ram. :P

[SpyderMan723]

the gen5 necrorams should be interesting.

with vices already getting a case+ off a 4500 fill, it should be interesting to see how much better the necroram performs against the stock one

[Stewey956]

Probabaly lesss kick then their already is, lower dwell, and like an extra pod or 3.

[BigRed76]

Stop trying to jump onboard the test-ship. It's all full and we will toss trespassers overboard if need be. ;)

[DFSniper]

yarg! we'll make ye walk the plank!

[Stewey956]

I think Chris is operating off of him requesting you basis.

[southernsteel]

Probably. I posted it earlier, I was just reminding him :P Even if I don't get to test, he's still getting my money.

[SlvrDragon50]

I'm going to buy them all and price gouge -_-

[Stewey956]

Lol, sell em before everyone knows about em.

[69RocketGC]

Lol, sell em before everyone knows about em.

I jus got a 2004 Empire Intimidator for my first gun. Sadly I jus found out that stores up here in Canada do not stock any aftermarket parts for these guns anymoar. Its hit n miss everywhere I try. Im forced to buy online and am eagerly awaiting the release of the Necroram 2 the public. This new ram is hope that I can still peice together a wicked gun thats 5 years old. :tup:

[necrolyte]

Hope I can help. I am hoping to open up preorders next weekend.

[Stewey956]

Sickness!!!!!

[ratinator]

i dont understand why all the testers are breaking their rams and ruining them with physical force....shoot the ram...shoot it like crazy..get some concrete results to see what kind of wear the GUN has on the ram and a # of shots per fill at different psi and weather conditions.

then after you have actually tested the ram....do your worst and break it.

[Omega Ra]

bronze already did that. he has a video of him shooting it at what pressure and such. Then he decided to see what it took to break it.

[flipzz]

which is smart....its like fasttracking its doom!

[toolittletoolate]

Bronze did test his ram before beraking it. And he found no wear on it. I froze mine to see how it would preform in very cold conditions.

[Stewey956]

Lol, I hope to begin testing soon.

[necrolyte]

Testing had been complete, they just wanted to see what it would ACTUALLY take to break one of these just to show people that in the gun itself, there should be NO problems.....

And incase there is a problem, guess what?

You return the broken ram to me, and get a new one. How's that for a warranty.

[BigRed76]

i dont understand why all the testers are breaking their rams and ruining them with physical force....shoot the ram...shoot it like crazy..get some concrete results to see what kind of wear the GUN has on the ram and a # of shots per fill at different psi and weather conditions.

then after you have actually tested the ram....do your worst and break it.

LPR's have consistently been in the 50-65psi range, with efficiency showing results of 1800+ (actually more like 2k-2.5k, but to be on the official side, I don't want to shoot myself in the foot if that one person gets 1999 shots per tank) shots per 68/45. The material simply doesn't wear so easily, so a couple testers got curious as to what it would take to get it to break. :shrug:

[battlechaser]

You return the broken ram to me, and get a new one. How's that for a warrenty.

And a no questions asked warranty. "Sold" :P

[Omega Ra]

yeah, that is a nice warranty :)

[xmodfreak2011]

Any clue on how much these things'll cost? It looks sick!

[DFSniper]

i think he said $35, but dont quote me.

will get some testing done today. eventually...

[flipzz]

do eet......y couldnt i be a tester....i play more then all of uz

[DFSniper]

lol flipzz. i just sized my paint (marbalizers in my .689 lucky15) and heading out to the backyard right now.

[battlechaser]

lol flipzz. i just sized my paint (marbalizers in my .689 lucky15) and heading out to the backyard right now.

I take it the membrane trick worked? :P

[necrolyte]

Two Gen5 prototypes made today. Will be doing some local testing to make sure the design is right, then I'll get some beta rams out for testers. :)

Weight of Gen 5 NecroRam - 5 grams. (actually around 4.8g)

http://www.necropb.com/images/gen5_necroram.jpg

I won't be around tonight, so everyone enjoy!

[Ollieleet]

someone came into my house today and stole my necroram :dodgy:.

[SpyderMan723]

someone came into my house today and stole my necroram :dodgy:.

sux2bU

[excessiveego]

i cant wait for the Gen5 rams, ive been wondering how long it would take for someone to finally make one

[Stewey956]

Gimme a damn Gen4.....LOL. 2 weeks ppl for Gen4 testing!!!

[SlvrDragon50]

Sexy ram.. I want

[DFSniper]

I take it the membrane trick worked? :P

yeah, it was actually easier than that. i just cut off the damaged part :P i owe you one.

[necrolyte]

History was just made at my local field, atomic paintball in north Augusta.

The first Gen 5 necroram was shot and worked! Lol

Now to get some settings put together and we'll see what happens!

Btw I'm on my blackberry so ill try to check in later. (I'm on my way out of town) lol

[DFSniper]

lol.

guyz read mah review! http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27508&postcount=3

[excessiveego]

if you need testers for the gen5 im game, if not, i want to be first on the list to get one :P

[Stewey956]

I'm tryin to get my hands on a Gen5 myself.

[necrolyte]

Dfsniper

Your hpr is awefully high. Try bumping your dwell up a tad and reducing the hpr some.

We are all sitting around 220 to 240 I think. It could be your leak too causing the need for more pressure.

[DFSniper]

yeah, my reg was acting funky today. first i couldnt get the guage to work at all, then it worked its way up from about 250 to 400.

i have a vid of me shooting one-handed, i'll get that up later.

hmm... i cant seem to enter my menu to check my dwell...

[bronze]

someone came into my house today and stole my necroram :dodgy:.

i simple exchanged mine with urs. Whats wrong with that?:P

[DFSniper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WnVA_CMJM

[Diablo3585]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WnVA_CMJM

dropped you comment there bud ;)

[flipzz]

finally some testing getting done ;)

[gamer565]

i wonder how well the orange bolt will do with these ram?...since originally the bolt was to light and cause velocity issue, i wonder if it would work now that the ram weights next to nothing too.

[Stewey956]

Am idea to ponder on........Or maybe NecroBolt? :)

[possumdrums]

what bolts have been tested with the necroram? sign me up as #2 for the necrobolt ;)

[Ollieleet]

old news :)

[Stewey956]

yea, NecroBolt has been talked bout for awhile, nothing has happened on it, NecroRams aren't even finished.

Who is #1 for bolt testing BTW possum?

[Ollieleet]

me :)

[Stewey956]

Sure buddy. :P

[DFSniper]

what bolts have been tested with the necroram? sign me up as #2 for the necrobolt ;)

im using the Function bolt (2k5)

[Ollieleet]

I wasn't kidding..

[necrolyte]

I am using the stock Alias bolt, both in my Abomb and Alias, and now a pillow bolt in my Protege.

[Stewey956]

I wasn't kidding..

As far as your Etek goes I guess.

[necrolyte]

Wanted to give some more information out about the Gen5 Necroram. The springs I ordered which I THOUGHT was lighter than stock spring, really isnt.

Also, the stock spring, while looking wierd, is really well designed. The spring is coned so that it doesnt float inside the chamber, and also this allows it not to flex. By flex, I mean up/down/left/right which would make the poppet open at a wierd angle, and sometimes not fully open, which would cause drop off. (I ran into this problem last night testing.)

I ended up shooting the Gen5 NecroRam with the Gen5 Stock Spring all last night, and it was working well, though the spring is really way too heavy.

I ordered lighter springs today, and after a ton of thinking about how to solve the spring flex problem, I came up with an idea of a 'spring sleeve'. This holds the spring in place, while allowing it the compress in a straight line instead flexing all kinds of wierd annoying ways!

I'll update with more info after I get the lighter springs in and let you guys know how its going. So far so good, its just taking a tad more work than the Gen1-3 ram, so I thank you guys for hanging in there waiting on this stuff! :)

Be ready for pre-orders on Gen1-3!!!!

[hot_carl 22]

any word on price

sorry if it was said before.

[Omega Ra]

probably going to be $35.

[necrolyte]

IOG Pre-Order for Gen 1-3 NecroRams is now open!! Visit either www.necropb.com or check the BST thread here!

[Iram]

IOG Pre-Order for Gen 1-3 NecroRams is now open!! Visit either www.necropb.com or check the BST thread here!

When are you planning to do the first shipment?

[DFSniper]

going to try it on the field today! hopefully the new settings will work.

[necrolyte]

First shipment I am hoping for is two weeks from now, this gives time for people to pre-order!