SCM3 internals in gen3 reg

[DFSniper]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=57154739#post57154739

interesting. SCM3 = $50.

or:
internals $15
delrin piston $10
tool $10 (optional)

edit: tool is not needed. just use small pliers.

[Tabris17]

Just get the reg itself. Then at least if you try to sell it people know it's an SCM3 and can't ***** you out.

[DFSniper]

well, you could always sell the parts separately and revert the lpr to stock... or keep it for your next gun.

[Stewey956]

I wish I had known about this before I bought my SCM III, then again I bought mine for $25.

[Tim Foolery]

If you can find the reg used I'd go with it, but in my opinion the stock reg looks better than the SCM III and the conversion works without the piston. You could buy just the Internals for the $20 and still have a very very nice LPR.

[DFSniper]

yeah, i was wondering about the piston. ive heard people say theres not much of an advantage with delrin, and i was wondering if it would make a bigger diference with scm internals.

and is there a way to get it out without the special tool?

[Stewey956]

What exactly is the special tool for? That like brass piece?

[Tim Foolery]

Just to install the brass screw (I have no idea what the technical name is) I found that regular needle nose work (at your own risk) and that fine point needle nose dremeled to an even long point work great.

[BigRed76]

Schrader valve? That's what's coming to my mind...

[DFSniper]

http://www.airsoldier.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=AKA-SCM3-INTERNALS&Category_Code=

http://www.airsoldier.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=AKA-SCM3-TOOLBIT&Category_Code=

hmm, i guess needle nose pliers would work.

[Stewey956]

I've seen a maintenance guide and they do suggest needle nose pliers. Before today, I didn't even know of that special bit. I think at $10.00 though, it should be an actual tool, not just a bit.

[battlechaser]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=57154739#post57154739

interesting. SCM3 = $50.

or:
internals $20
tool $10
delrin piston $20

$50 for a mock SCM (the delrin piston blurb is negligible) or $50 for the real thing..? I think we know what I bought. :no:dodgy::

[Stewey956]

Hah! lol

[DFSniper]

well, i checked akalmp, and the scm internals are only $15 on their site. so if you wanted, you could theoretically make an scm3 for under $20, including shipping. i may have to try this out.

[Omega Ra]

what is aka's website? might want to do this

[LWard]

AKA's Site (http://www.akalmp.com/)

[DFSniper]

ra (and anyone else). i think im going to try to put together a group buy so that you only have to pay like $2 shipping instead of the $5 if you were to buy it straight from the site.

[Omega Ra]

The internals is shows for "all others" doesn't show a piston...

[DFSniper]

you use the stock piston. if you look in the stock reg, you see the brass thing in the middle? thats what it replaces.

[ItalianCustom]

i wouldnt mind trying this buy have no effing idea what im looking for

[DFSniper]

http://www.akalmp.com/kits.html

1/2 way down the page:
http://www.akalmp.com/07products/scminternalsALLOTHERS.jpg
SCM Int Internals – all others $15

shipping is $5 if you dont buy anything else. i checked it out earlier today.

[Omega Ra]

yeah I saw that, but no piston? would I just use the stock alias piston?

[DFSniper]

yeah I saw that, but no piston? would I just use the stock alias piston?

you use the stock piston. if you look in the stock reg, you see the brass thing in the middle? thats what it replaces.

already answered that one :) but you COULD use a delrin one

[Omega Ra]

okay I must have missed that one. But yeah I know it replaces the schrader valve. The only place I have seen a delrin piston is paintball kingdom, anywhere else?

[Ollieleet]

okay I must have missed that one. But yeah I know it replaces the schrader valve. The only place I have seen a delrin piston is paintball kingdom, anywhere else?

IOG B/S/T, PBN, and any other site where you can buy used goods, VP made the best delrin piston, but they are quite rare now.

[Omega Ra]

paintball kingdomw has them for $10.

http://www.paintballkingdom.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=945

[Stewey956]

Hrm not bad.

[DFSniper]

alright, im about to put in an order for SCM3 inernals and pbk pistons:
me
Necrolyte
OmegaRa
ItalianCustom
oldironmudder

anyone else want in? estimated prices will be:
SCM3 internals - $15 (im ordering some AKA stuff, so i'll eat shipping)
PBK Piston - $10 (shipping will be $6.20 divided by number of buyers unless we get 10 or more, then shipping is only $1.)
so you're looking at a total of about $25.50, plus the cost for shipping from me to you (about $1.50) instead of $36.20 if you were to buy it individually.

[Omega Ra]

nice :tup:

[oldironmudder]

Well, I got some good news for those in the shoutbox this morning. Ill post up pics in just a bit.

I do need something though, if you have a real SCM, I need a picture.

[paintballstud69]

i have 1

[oldironmudder]

Ok, got some info to share. Took my Alias, 2k2 & Classic LPR plus my Torpedo apart. The Pin Valve & its retainer will swap out between all the above. Took one retainer down the street to the machine shop to check the threading. Called AKA & got their threading, both are the same. So this is a drop in mod.

Removing the 2k2, Classic & Torpedo's retainer, all that is needed is a 3/8 socket & extension to reach down in there. The Alias will need an extra thin wall socket or a small flat head screw driver to remove/install.

Larry from AKA said be sure to lube the oring on the retainer plus the 2 on the stem.

Here are some pics & a video I did a little while ago.

Left to Right - Torpedo - Classic - 2k2 - Alias
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/drunknmudder77/akamod/akascminfo004.jpg

Classic - Alias
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/drunknmudder77/akamod/akascminfo002.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/drunknmudder77/akamod/akascminfo005.jpg

Video
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/drunknmudder77/akamod/th_akascminfo008.jpg (http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/drunknmudder77/akamod/?action=view&current=akascminfo008.flv)

[LWard]

HPR and Classic/2k2 Style LPR Delrin Piston (http://www.paintballkingdom.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=885)

Just incase you're like me and don't have a Alias styel LPR.

[DFSniper]

last call for anyone that still wants in. i'll be placing the orders tomorrow.

[necrolyte]

I'm game. My Abomb needs an upgrade :P

[Monke]

when is deadline by...need to scrap up some cash...

[DFSniper]

tomorrow. but i'm going to have a few extra on hand.

[oldironmudder]

I just found out I do have a delrin piston for Pre-Alias & Torpedos so all I need is two (2) AKA SCM-III internals.

My Alias has a delrin piston so I will need to find a stock aluminum one to do a full test.

[Philyoh]

just a question to this mod what would be the benifit of this swap and if I do this would I be using their liquid lube or dow55.

[oldironmudder]

My best guess is going to be better flow, consistency & better sealing. Thats why Im gonna do a full test when I get them in to see what really happens if anything.

[BigRed76]

What about a Verdkit? Tell me "yes" and I might buy in.

[Daigz525]

This is an interesting thread... I thought that I would contribute with one small comment..... I assume that everyone has noticed the increase in performance from the original LPR design to the new one used on the Gen 5 markers right......wouldn't it be nice if BLAST came out with an LPR using the Gen 5 internals that fit the other Gen markers..........:D:dodgy::D:censored:


May be I can post something up about that in the next few days................ (to be continued)

[Omega Ra]

Yeah we heard rumors about that LPR. would be nice to see some pice and such.

[Daigz525]

Give me until next week ;)

I have one on the way already. The cool thing, BLAST called me up to ask if I'd try one, it wasn't the other way around!

[Omega Ra]

NICE! yeah definitely get us some pics. I'd like to see the look of it as well as what the internals look like.

[necrolyte]

Daigz: I've got one in and on a Dark Timmy at the proshop. The Gen5 design is a low flow LPR to me, and I had trouble getting the NecroRam to work with it. (I think thats some of my problem in the Gen5s too).

Let me know your opinion on it.

[Omega Ra]

necro: but you don't have any problems with an SCM right?

[necrolyte]

I havent tested with one, and as far as I know there have been no known issues with it :)

[battlechaser]

necro: but you don't have any problems with an SCM right?

I've shot my SCM with the Eigen and it performed alright.. I think I was running at about 60ish psi though, hard to tell on a 0-300 gauge.

You shouldn't experience many issues, the SCM's are the same basic style as a BL lpr, they just use a different valve + piston. The piston on the SCM is quite wide/flat compared to the factory LPRs.. I'll get a pic in a few.

Edit: Yet more SCM pics

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o453/iamthebattlechaser/DSC02387.jpg
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o453/iamthebattlechaser/DSC02388.jpg
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o453/iamthebattlechaser/DSC02392.jpg

[DFSniper]

alright, well, i placed my orders, and as soon as they come in, i'll let you guys know who owes what.

[Monke]

alright, well, i placed my orders, and as soon as they come in, i'll let you guys know who owes what.

if you have a spare, let me know....

[oldironmudder]

I think he ordered extra but im not 100% sure

[DFSniper]

yeah, i think i'll have 1 valve, 2 alias pistons, and a 2k2 piston left after i send everything out.

[DFSniper]

update:

got the valves today, pistons shipped today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/SANY0007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/SANY0008.jpg

edit: paper that came with the valve:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/scm3valve-2.jpg

[Philyoh]

update:

got the valves today, pistons shipped today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/SANY0007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/SANY0008.jpg

edit: paper that came with the valve:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball_Customizing/scm3valve-2.jpg

what tools do you use for the aka...I called aka and the guy said you just turn it with you fingers I dont think he know I talking about the mod

[oldironmudder]

I used a small, wanna say less then 1/4" flat head screw driver.

[Philyoh]

thanx let me pm dfsniper if he got some extra

[DFSniper]

i used very small needle-nosed pliers. i actually had to buy some because all the ones i had at the house were too wide to fit down the chamber.

[toolittletoolate]

Yea, I have some round needle nose jewelers pliers I use when I make jewelry that look like the perfect size.

[DFSniper]

got the pistons in, and they'll go out on tuesday so everyone can begin experimenting!

[Philyoh]

pm me for the cost and your paypal

[kobu]

do you have any extras(the whole thing) ?? if so pm me the whole price plz and thank you

[DFSniper]

sorry, philyoh already called dibs on my last set

[Philyoh]

that's cool at least I have an idea about the mod thanx Dfsniper

[possumdrums]

.....

[Omega Ra]

haven't gotten my parts yet. They are on their way though.

[DFSniper]

any have results of scm in lpr, scm in hpr and sm in both regs.any benefits?

not yet. im really tied down with school right now, so no word when i'll be able to start. but the parts did go out to the others.

[clintoris]

This is an interesting thread... I thought that I would contribute with one small comment..... I assume that everyone has noticed the increase in performance from the original LPR design to the new one used on the Gen 5 markers right......wouldn't it be nice if BLAST came out with an LPR using the Gen 5 internals that fit the other Gen markers..........:D:dodgy::D:censored:


May be I can post something up about that in the next few days................ (to be continued)

How does the gen5 compare to the gen3 or SCM? Not really familiar with gen5's at all.

[Omega Ra]

got my parts and rebuilt all three of my regs...now to just get a working gun together...

[necrolyte]

BLAST has released an LPR that has Gen5 internals for previous generation timmies.

[KeenDean]

Link...:tup:

[necrolyte]

You'd have to call, i dont know if they'll put it up on their site. We got one in a few weeks ago for a Dark Timmy in the shop.

[possumdrums]

.....

[necrolyte]

Not quite sure of the price, I believe it was over $40. Shop bought it for the marker so I'm not totally sure.

[zlittell]

i wanna know how this **** went... i kinda want to do this... does anyone have any pics of a scmIII on their timmy as well

-zack-

[oldironmudder]

Well, I tested the parts out 2 weeks ago in my Alias (stock LPR & a Torpedo). The AKA springs are to big to easily drop in & the pins are to long. I think DF got his in & working but said they were touchy when it comes to adjusting. Im gonna cut the pins down & use the stock springs.

[DFSniper]

it works perfectly on the LPR, but ive run into two problems in the HPR. 1) the wall where the spring sits isnt wide enough for the SCM3 spring, and 2) the valve pin is shorter than stock, so you'd need to shim the reg spring more to get the piston to touch the SCM3 valve.

[necrolyte]

All I'm worried about is LPR. I think that should be the main focus. The torps work GREAT as is, same with the BL360...

I still want to see a mod for the Gen5 LPRs :)

[oldironmudder]

Send me one.....

[tjs0349]

WOW! I can't believe my original post on PBnation generated so much interest over here. Glad to see you guys picked it up and ran. Sounds like some of you have tried this with your LPRs.

What does everyone think? I was running a Hybrid Verdikt (Alias style) LPR with a VP delrin piston before I did this mod. After dropping in the SCM III internals it made a huge difference in my opinion. What results have others had with the LPR?

[oldironmudder]

I had problems. Springs would NOT fit so I used BL springs & an oring to make up for the height. then there wasnt enough room to fully open the valve. So I cut the pins down. Everything looked good in mock up but leak bad & spiked my lpr to 200+ again (2 times @ 200+ & once at 150 since Ive owned the marker). I said screw it til I have a solid day to mess it.

[tjs0349]

Interesting. Mine dropped right in and has worked great ever since. That sucks. Maybe it's because I'm using a Hybrid Verdikt LPR housing. I had thought those were the same as the alias though. Hopefully others had better luck...

[DFSniper]

i like it so far. running the internals & pbk piston with a 2liter+ on my TS, and i should have a verdikt coming in this weekend. ive noticed that the fps range was cut almost in half with the scm3 internals.

[tjs0349]

Glad to hear! That's the kind of results I've had. I went back and fourth for a long time on getting an actual SCM-III, but I just felt it destroyed the looks of my marker. So I was really happy when I stumbled across this. The combination of the Verdikt and the SCM-III internals gives it great looks and great performance as well!

It was originally a Shocker LPR mod. They would cut off about half of the wide round part on the valve pin.

[KeenDean]

Sorry to bring life to an old thread, but does anyone have any concrete results from fitting this modification?

I plan on injecting some life into my ST 2k2 project after the holidays, and this mod is one upgrade I'm looking to throw into her.

I plan on fitting one to the LPR, and one in the tornado. I custom made (by hand) some of my own delrin twin o-ring pistons for this little venture.

But is it worth doing? Thats the question.

[DFSniper]

it works great in the LPR, but because of the design, it doesnt stick out enough for the torpedo piston to hit the valve pin. you would need to shim the piston more, or make a longer piston.

[princealway]

If you can find the reg used'd go with her, but I think the stock looks better than reg CMS and III of the conversion works without the piston. You can buy just the house for few dollar and still have a very beautiful LPR.