timmy will not shoot/cycle

[raw157]

Here is the story thus far...
I sent my gun to blast, and got my ram sleeve replaced. I got the gun back, aired it up, and it leaked, but still shot. I brought it inside, and went to fix the leak. Got the leak to go away, but then I went to shoot, and well....it wouldn't cycle. The bolt will not move forward all the way.

Things I have done:
Relubed all the orings and replaced some
Lubed the poppet
Tried a different noid
Reset my regs a few times
Reset my board to factory settings...

Any other ideas?
05 Alias, Virtue board, everything else is stock.
Any help is appreciated.


FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!

[mcsquid86]

I'm no expert on any problems, but maybe try a different bolt. Maybe it swelled up. Just a thought. These guys on here will point you in the right direction.

[fprandy]

Sorry for dumb ideas.
Change Battery
Try a different ASA and air tank
Does the bolt and ram move freely with no air applied?
Virtue Board Tournament lock off and dwell at 10 (default)

You got the leak to go away, where was it leaking and how did you get it to stop?

Check all wires carefully. any of them pinched? Check the solenoid harness carefully.

Is the virtue board grounding out on the mounting screws?

Good luck

[raw157]

As of right now, I have changed the battery, and have used both my tanks. The bolt and ram move just fine when the air is off, and I push it back and forth. It moves back fine, if I have it forward and air it up. I know its not grounding out, because its not even in the gun right now, seeing as I have replaced my noid a few times.

The leak was coming from the barrel, my guess was the LPR/Poppet. Yes, my regs are fine.

I don't care how dumb the idea, willing to try anything. Thanks, and keep it comin'.

[lopez17]

Make sure your rear ram o-ring is a 011 and not a 010. Also, when you gas it up, is your LPR guage showing the correct pressure? If so we know that the LPR is working. Try pressing the red button on the side of your solenoid with it gassed up. Does it cycle?

[raw157]

When I press the red button, it leaks, and then sometimes fires. My LPR is fine. It changes pressures, and im at about 70psi.

[Squirlly]

If you had a Homer Moment (DOH!) Like I've had in the past.... is the bolt in upside down? The hole goes down! You dis say post it reguardless how dumb it sounds.....

-Tim

[raw157]

Would that honestly cause my problem? My bolt is not upside down im sure of it. Still working on dif combos.

[Slimpikins976]

Man lots of good advice here, .... but it also sounds like you have all the basics accounted for. If you gas it up with the power off the bolt should slam back to the back position. If you can try to push it forward. If you can and there is resistance then you have air all the way threw the system it sounds like.
Batteries are what I always change 1st ( also never mix batteries) not that this applies with one nine volt.
If the noid is cycling try to check settings on the board. If factory reset try it with the eyes on and off. Sometimes a pinched wire, or dirty eyes can do this ( easy fix.)
Again one thing to look for is IS there ANY LUBE that might of slipped into your hoses? this can gum up the noid.
Did Blast put the hoses back on in the correct order? ( does the Bolt slam back to the tail of the gun aired up or towards the front?
In your 1st post you said the bolt would not move all the way forward.....
Take out your Ram cap , your bolt and ram.... clean all up good. then go in from the top of your gun and clean out all the excess lube and debree from the ram tube . Make sure there is nothing in it( a few Q-Tips will do the trick) relube just the o-Rings on the ram drop it in place the cap back on, re insert the bolt ( Make sure you have the Bolt and ram in correct position.
With the gun not aired up make sure the bolt moves all the way back and when pushed forward there is no slack and pushes past the detents.
If you have smooth movements, and you are positive the bolt is in the correct place see if the bolt will slide back and forth by just turning the gun up and down.
With all your cleaning and o-Ring changing your bolt should move with the ram smoothly. If you are having an issue here Post again and We can try and troubleshoot it ! good luck and keep us posted.

[raw157]

You did read it is a new ram sleeve, right from BLAST?

Anyway could they have installed the wrong ram sleeve?

My bolt hardly fits in it, its pressed to move, it feels to big. The ram also never falls forward like it use to. Before when I put the ram in, it would fall all the way forward to the spot it belonged. Wrong ram sleeve, are there different sizes?

Also, I emailed joe to ask what the problem is.

[Slimpikins976]

So let me get this right, the ram sleeve is not accommodating the pin that attaches to your bolt? because the bolt slides in the Frame. The pin that is attached to the bolt connects the bolt to the ram which is housed into the ram Sleeve.
You said the bolt hardly fits,.... now is this the bolt fitting poorly in the frame, I assume?
Or is this an issue with the ram not moving correctly?
You also said it would fall I assume you meant when the gun is not aired up and you dropped the tip of the gun up and down. ...
Sounds like mabey the bolt is having your issues..... ???
If your bolt is a pain to move What did you do to lube it?
I would suggest taking off the bolts o-rings then out it back without and see If there is the same resistance. If not you have hte wrong size o-rings on the bolt or the wrong lube. I only use TriFlow on my bolt and like a drop thats it per o-ring, rubbed around and then the excess taken off the bolt as to not gum up the frame or the bolt( triflow attracts dirt and debris. )
Tell me how this works we can roll from there, Hope this helps we can troubleshoot more after you try this !!!

[raw157]

I have not lubed it. The bolt for the ram falls forward by them selves. Not even alone. The ram almsot seams to big for the sleeve.

This is right from blast.

[timmy_lover]

Did you try contacting BLAST and letting them know that the gun is still having issues? You might to try and see what they will do to fix it. They very well may re-fix it free of charge.

[raw157]

I emailed joe yesterday. Waiting for a response.

[Slimpikins976]

did you try the bolt/ ram trials with out O-rings yet how did that work just for movement? or with out O-rings is it still " sticking" and not moving? keep us informed.....

[raw157]

buying a oring kit from crankwalk today/tom.
So waiting for that.

[Garbage]

Where does it leak from...?

[raw157]

Where does it leak from...?

have you read any of the above thread? The leak is not the problem.

[Spider]

As of right now, I have changed the battery, and have used both my tanks. The bolt and ram move just fine when the air is off, and I push it back and forth. It moves back fine, if I have it forward and air it up. I know its not grounding out, because its not even in the gun right now, seeing as I have replaced my noid a few times.

The leak was coming from the barrel, my guess was the LPR/Poppet. Yes, my regs are fine.

I don't care how dumb the idea, willing to try anything. Thanks, and keep it comin'.

Have you swapped solenoids (for this problem; I see your reference above)? Does the bolt kind of cycle but not shoot?

I had my solenoid plug up after cleaning out the regs that the previous owner had let get crusty. It let either old or new lube into the pilot section of the noid. At first it had bad first shot drop off, and it progressed into just cycling the bolt at a dwell of 16 without shooting at all. I finally got it out and back to normal.

[raw157]

Have you swapped solenoids (for this problem; I see your reference above)? Does the bolt kind of cycle but not shoot?

I had my solenoid plug up after cleaning out the regs that the previous owner had let get crusty. It let either old or new lube into the pilot section of the noid. At first it had bad first shot drop off, and it progressed into just cycling the bolt at a dwell of 16 without shooting at all. I finally got it out and back to normal.

I have tried 2 noids... and nothing. Really hoping its an oring, just waiting on a kit from crankwalk.

Does anyone know if there email is still down?
Might just give em a call towmarrow, I have a problem tho with calling, because of the time change, when I can call during the day, they are at lunch... When they are not at lunch, im at work. Oofta

[raw157]

So let me get this right, the ram sleeve is not accommodating the pin that attaches to your bolt? because the bolt slides in the Frame. The pin that is attached to the bolt connects the bolt to the ram which is housed into the ram Sleeve.
You said the bolt hardly fits,.... now is this the bolt fitting poorly in the frame, I assume?
Or is this an issue with the ram not moving correctly?
You also said it would fall I assume you meant when the gun is not aired up and you dropped the tip of the gun up and down. ...
Sounds like mabey the bolt is having your issues..... ???
If your bolt is a pain to move What did you do to lube it?
I would suggest taking off the bolts o-rings then out it back without and see If there is the same resistance. If not you have hte wrong size o-rings on the bolt or the wrong lube. I only use TriFlow on my bolt and like a drop thats it per o-ring, rubbed around and then the excess taken off the bolt as to not gum up the frame or the bolt( triflow attracts dirt and debris. )
Tell me how this works we can roll from there, Hope this helps we can troubleshoot more after you try this !!!


Alright, So I have found 2 more things that may help you guys help me out.

1) When the ram goes in at first, it almost seems blocked. Example: When there is no air in, and I just put it in, it does not move all the way, and I have to use a q-tip to push it in to the point where it lines up with the bolt pin, in the correct position to shoot.
2) What size o rings go on the bolt? I think that may be some of the problem, because it does slide in better with the o rings off. It's a stock alias bolt btw.

Thanks again

[raw157]

I couldn't tell you what the problem was. I just redid ever single o-ring in that sucker. Cleaned my noid, did everything and aired it up, leaked, i re did my regs, leaked, shot it once or twice, silence!!!!!! and it cycles!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all your help!

[Squirlly]

I aired it up, leaked, i re did my regs, leaked, shot it once or twice, silence!!!!!! and it cycles!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check the cup seal part of the poppit if this cycle continues. If the "umbrella" of the poppit is either worn or brand new that happens now and then. If its now it needs broke in and needs to conform to the shpe of the other parts it has to interact with but after a few shots the pressures are built up enough to push on it hard enough to seal the leak, once it rehapes itself to fit right this will go away and if it's worn after a few a few shots the pressures are built up enough to push on it hard enough to seal the leak but unlike with a new one this will only get WORSE.

I have only had this problem on my Timmy the first 2 times after I got it and the guy had just installed an upgraded poppit so it's worked itself out, but encounter it monthy in Spyders and Spyder clones where they a just worn out.

-Tim

[raw157]

I wasn't clear, the gun is working fine. Works like a charm. Thanks for everyones help

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