joe legal vs. jose illegal

[gamer565]

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready? Now pay attention…

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
$31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support ANY politician that supports illegal aliens…YOU are part of the problem!

It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans! VOTE ‘EM ALL OUT IN 2010!!!!!

What are you waiting for?

[big_daddy_d]

i dont get it...

[Diablo3585]

i dont get it...

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[AirSin]

If you don't really live in an area affected by illegal immigration you won't. Basically, these illegals aliens are making more money, and getting better benefits then actual citizens of the country.. The state of the welfare, medicare, and SSI programs are the way they are because of illegal immigration (not all, but partly). If you live in a state where politicians are pushing for illegal immigration it is basically telling you not to vote for them. Why should we vote for somebody who wants to push for rights of those who don't belong here? More then often politicians who do that don't have a chance to get back in office because they know people won't vote for them, so they push for rights for illegal immigrants for registered families of those people will vote for the politician. I always worry about when I drive and park my car in sd due to the illegals with no insurance (while driving) or am afraid of it being stolen to be taken over the border.

[1stGenRex]

yeah, blame "Jose illegal" instead of the employer. Why are employers using illegal labor? Because you want a cheaper patio.

Ultimately, if no one hires the contractors using illegal labor (and pays more for legal labor) then the problem will sort itself out.

Of course this will never happen.

the way that's all typed out isn't really the way it works, and it's funny that such ignorant people would agree with it.

[Hollowpoint]

Nice post Gamer. One of the best ive ever read on a paintball forum. Using cheaper labor equals more profit for business owners. No businessman thats in business will turn down more profit. Thats why companys are sending manufacturing over seas, less labor costs and less corporate taxes.

[AirSin]

yeah, blame "Jose illegal" instead of the employer. Why are employers using illegal labor? Because you want a cheaper patio.

Ultimately, if no one hires the contractors using illegal labor (and pays more for legal labor) then the problem will sort itself out.

Of course this will never happen.

the way that's all typed out isn't really the way it works, and it's funny that such ignorant people would agree with it.

Oh I agree. There need to be stricter laws on companies/employers caught hiring/paying illegal immigrants.

[1stGenRex]

you agree, yet you don't see the point....laws will only get you so far, it's up to the consumer as well to do some legwork, and ultimately, pay more for the same service, which people will obviously not do.
I'm not surprised that you would think that laws would take care of this though...You've made a lot of ignorant posts on this topic along the way.

[IgnoranceInABag]

its already illegal to hire non citizens and yet people do it. its illegal to use drugs and yet people do them. people dont obey laws. no matter how bad immigration laws are millions, will still flock to this country to find work. if these illegals were made citizens and given SS numbers they would be paying the same taxes as you and i do. closing borders costs trillions of dollars and will not even come close to stopping people from entering the country

[BrainEmindless]

and what he sends out of the country every month.

This part hurts very much!!

its already illegal to hire non citizens and yet people do it. its illegal to use drugs and yet people do them. people dont obey laws. no matter how bad immigration laws are millions, will still flock to this country to find work. if these illegals were made citizens and given SS numbers they would be paying the same taxes as you and i do. closing borders costs trillions of dollars and will not even come close to stopping people from entering the country

Its not an exclusive club. They can be legal immigrants. There is nothing stopping them. When caught they should be deported immediately. It is not about stopping people from entering the country, its about stopping them from doing it illegally. Murder is illegal, people commit murder anyway, that's no reason for it to not be illegal.

[IgnoranceInABag]

i wasnt using the fact they they are gonna do it anyways to make it legal. i was saying spending billions upon billions of dollars to maybe deter a very small amount of people from entering is the biggest reason to open boarders. if legally immigration didnt take years to complete and didnt cost as much as it does more people would legally immigrate, thus bringing tax revenue.
a friend of mine immigrated from the philipines and it took him 10 years to complete citizenship. citizenship is also relatively expensive to legally immigrate costing well over $3000 in government fees alone. im not saying ilegal immigration is a good thing im saying that if it was easier to enter legally more people would come legal. costing little to no money to start up and would bring in billions in taxes

[Hollowpoint]

The biggest problem for illegals is the amount of crime they commit such as rape and murder. And how will making them legal help? Then for those illegals that are now legal would have to be paid the federal minimum wage of 7.25 wich im sure employers are not paying them now. So then wouldnt they lose jobs they have now and then become dependent on the welfare system that is already paying out more of peoples tax dollers to people that are not even trying to better themselves to get a job and support their families on their own.

[Diablo3585]

I don't blame illegals for the U.S.'s problems. Think about it: if you were in a country like ****ing Mexico, wouldn't you want to gtfo?

[Fallinher0]

If the government would stop providing assistance to those without paperwork and put forth more of an effort to help the LEGAL citizens and the everyday struggling americans...

[IgnoranceInABag]

The biggest problem for illegals is the amount of crime they commit such as rape and murder. And how will making them legal help? Then for those illegals that are now legal would have to be paid the federal minimum wage of 7.25 wich im sure employers are not paying them now. So then wouldnt they lose jobs they have now and then become dependent on the welfare system that is already paying out more of peoples tax dollers to people that are not even trying to better themselves to get a job and support their families on their own.

there are american citizens who rape and murder too.... most illegal immigrants come here, work hard, and do not dont break any laws because they know that if they get in any trouble with the police they get sent home.

[Diablo3585]

The biggest problem for illegals is the amount of crime they commit such as rape and murder. And how will making them legal help? Then for those illegals that are now legal would have to be paid the federal minimum wage of 7.25 wich im sure employers are not paying them now. So then wouldnt they lose jobs they have now and then become dependent on the welfare system that is already paying out more of peoples tax dollers to people that are not even trying to better themselves to get a job and support their families on their own.

I stopped reading here.

[Hollowpoint]

there are american citizens who rape and murder too.... most illegal immigrants come here, work hard, and do not dont break any laws because they know that if they get in any trouble with the police they get sent home.

Saying illegal immigrants dont break any laws is a contradiction. They broke the law when they came here illegally.

[IgnoranceInABag]

you know what i meant.