PDA

View Full Version : 2K2 Wobbly front block fix for enlarged/stripped hole


Chooie
07-04-2010, 01:09 AM
I would like to post with an alternate solution to the modified grip frame screw fix stickied in this forum. If your 2K2/etc. body has a hole whose thread has been completely worn away as mine had, due to the previous owner's failure to address the wobble when it first occurred, then this may just be the appropriate fix for you.

Tools and supplies that I used:

- Vertical mill equipped with a vice with soft jaws
- 5/16-24 tap and appropriately sized drill bit
- Jacobs chuck for the mill
- 5/16-24 by 1/4" long set screw
- Loctite 242 (Blue)

1. Completely strip the body of all parts, including the ram sleeve (I left the feedneck in place, since it did not get in the way with the particular Kurt vice on the mill).

2. Using a level, clamp down on the body in the vice so the underside of the body (with the hole we need to fix) is facing up, and is parallel to the mill table.

3. With the drill bit installed, center the hole to be repaired beneath the bit. You can usually eyeball this with good accuracy, just make sure you're perfectly centered before you fire up and begin cutting.

4. Set your depth stop on the mill so you do not accidentally go too far through the body and damage the other side of the chamber where the front block connects.

5. Fire up the mill, and drill your hole - use some cutting oil to help clear chips and protect the tool and work. There will only be a little debris unless like me, you had a screw seized in the hole and have to use a carbide bit to drill through it =\.

5. With the 5/16-24 tap inserted into an appropriate tap handle, tap the hole, again using cutting fluid and a chip clearing method (1 revolution forward, and then back half a turn) until through the thickness of the body.

6. Clean up the edges of the hole, both inside and out, with a deburring tool. This will prevent you from slicing the o-rings on the front block when inserted into the body.

7. Wash the entire body with dish soap and water to get rid of all chips and cutting fluid. Dry thoroughly, and reassemble the gun, using a 5/16-24x1/4" cup point set screw in the new hole. This will self-center on the existing hole in the front block, and hold securely. Loctite 242 on the threads is optional.

Here is what you wind up with - a solid mount that you can back out enough to free the front block, while leaving it in the body. You also don't need to remove the whole grip frame to pull the front block, or remove the barb.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/chooie/37b1fdf8.jpg

toolittletoolate
07-05-2010, 03:28 AM
2k2 bodies do not come tapped. So more than likely the previous owner of your body tried to tap it for an alias screw and did a screw size too small. Or what I've seen a lot is from the stock wobble with a 2k2 style frontblock using the stock screw into the block can and will put wear marks in the hole. Quite often these marks will look and feel like warn threads if the wobble is severe.
Also stock Alias size frontblock screws are 5/16-24,like you used. I use 5/16-24x5/16 when I tap peoples 2k2 bodies. I found the 5/16-24x1/4 where too short.

One more thing I'll say is in most cases frontblock wobble won't mess up your body threads, but will damage the frontblock.

Thanks for the thread man. People need to figure out how easy it is to eliminate the frontblock wobble.

Chooie
07-05-2010, 12:43 PM
Then I don't know what kind of front block I have, as the hole has no threads in it whatsoever, and it feels like it was machined that way. Weird. Oh, and did you mean 5/16-24x3/16, not 5/16?

toolittletoolate
07-05-2010, 02:07 PM
Then I don't know what kind of front block I have, as the hole has no threads in it whatsoever, and it feels like it was machined that way. Weird. Oh, and did you mean 5/16-24x3/16, not 5/16?

If the block has a hole in it its a 2k2 or Empire(Empire blocks look like Alias blocks). IF your block only has a small indent its an Alias block. It is very common for 2k2 and Empire blocks to get stripped and even punctured.

wv_ninja67
07-05-2010, 03:51 PM
sorry to go to a different topic for a sec but how do you fix the wobble of the front block so this does not happen?

toolittletoolate
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
sorry to go to a different topic for a sec but how do you fix the wobble of the front block so this does not happen?

Tap the body for an Alias style block will fix wobble. For a stock 2k2, an oring on the base of the screw head helps.