Next Level Alias LPR

[Spider]

My son bought a used Alias and we are in the 'discovery' stage.

I have figured out that the LPR is a 'Next Level' brand LPR. I haven't been able to find anything other than prices on it, not even propaganda.

Can someone tell me if it is at least as good as the stock reg and were they supposed to be good for something? Are there any internal differences from the stock reg?

:cheers:

[Slimpikins976]

never heard of it, I would look at what other upgrades the gun has and determined if your gun was "Frankenhookered" ( made form a medley of left over parts) or if it has nice brand name after market upgrades. depending on how cheap the gun was, you can kinda go from there..... give us a pic of it mabey someone can figure it out.

[Spider]

Here's a sales link (http://www.sakworldpaintball.com/neleinlprkit.html).

Other than this LPR and a virtue board, it was stock and had plenty of paint and dust. The clam shell screws squeaked when I turned them out (battery was way dead but not leaking).

Stock ram and ram cap, feed neck and torp HPR. The eyes seem to work. The bolt pin retaining ball was missing (stock bolt). We're going to air it up this weekend and see if the valve and seals are still good. It looks like it was chopping paint, but the board settings were off in the weeds.

[Slimpikins976]

If it looks like it was in that much disrepair,.....
I would go threw and inspect each o-ring threw out the body and torpedo because you know how to dis assemble those.
Then clean the body and internals take out all the wiring and gently clean everything with rubbing alcohol( small amounts). Then make sure and clean out old lube form areas like the ram tube, ect.
After this is done back out both regs and see how she throws paint. Also I would set the virtue on all default settings and work from there. Post up if you have anymore issues....

[crankwalk]

I have seen these Next Level LPRs before but I, as you, have never been able to find a link to the actual manufacturer or tech specs other than random quotes here and there that its supposed to be consistent or have "better" flow - just from the looks of it, it seems to have a built in "volumizer" chamber so take that for what its worth. Some people like volumizers some people do not :)

What I would say is take it apart for us and get some good pics in here so we know what the internals are like ;)

[jrmiller]

looks like a nice lpr. but as crankwalk says some people like volumizers and some dont. i am one that doesnt like them. my guns have always shot better with out them

[Spider]

I'll try to get some pics up. Bob Long LPRs look much better internally. It turns out the LPR was blown. By that, I mean the 'poppet' seal was pushed up though the top of the valve core. And yes, that means the internals are just an over sized valve core (like a tire/schrader valve) with a large spring and screw adjuster on top of the pin.

There is a 'Next Level' paintball distributor, but I can't tell if they sold this reg originally. If the valve cores are easy to find, I can see a reason for the design, otherwise the whole thing is disposable.

We swapped out the LPR, replaced a broken barb and got the marker to cycle pretty well. It has some first shot drop off and a mild leak down the barrel/bolt. I suspect the leak is from the grooves in the poppet seat. I was going to try to sand and burnish them out. All the seals looked like they had been in petroleum oil and were very soft.

Looks like we are in the market for an LPR. Has anyone tried the evil LPR? They look ok, if just heavy. Probably end up with an Alias LPR. Anybody got one handy? :rolleyes:

[crankwalk]

I've never heard really good things about evil LPRs and evil Front blocks (back when they were making Alias style blocks for 2k2s) - I'd suggest to stick with an Alias LPR, proven design and easy to maintain, not to mention small and light :tup: or the hybrid LPR which is the same internally as an Alias LPR

[Spider]

Thanks. I'll get some pics, but 1) I'm getting an alias LPR. 2) I ordered the high flow R134a automotive air conditioning valve core to repair the next level lpr (2.50 plus shipping), just to see how it works.

Now I just need to find an eigen ram. :D

[crankwalk]

haha sounds good, that'll be funny if the schrader valve is a direct fit - keep us posted!

[fprandy]

Evil LPR, I would stay away from them. I had one on an Evil Pimp, and threw it away it was that bad. Required constant maintenance, was always creeping.

Damn hard to maintain, and very, very heavy.

Reg seat was a very soft I want to say rubber, but it wasn't.

I replaced it with a Hybrid Verdikit, which I never needed to maintain.

[Spider]

Pardon the pic size, it may be handy to see the valve core though. :rolleyes:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff138/Spider-TW/S5000098.jpg
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one huge brass piston, one large spring, screw adjuster, and a little valve core. The tiny spring on the valve core was crushed by over tightening the adjuster and the seal came out the top of the core (we pulled it out by the piece that was hanging out). The marker looked like they guy had the HPR set to 150 and the LPR was just bleeding through, so he had a true 'low pressure' marker.

I'll put it back together with a new core ($2.50 plus $6 shipping) just to see how this $55 lpr works.

[Spider]

I now have the replacement core in hand. The part number is FJC-2674, R12 & R134a valve core - High flow. It looks exactly the same. That rubber piece we pulled out of the top actually belongs at the bottom.

:cheers:

[crankwalk]

Excellent.. that's a great bit of information about these elusive LPRs. Thanks!

[Spider]

Well, so far the thing is a miserable failure. We lubed the core and put it in with the adjuster backed out. I adjusted it to 80 psi. I realized the gauge was marked differently than our other timmy, so I backed it down to 75 psi. Before I could turn the board on, the pressure spiked to the 150 psi that the HPR is set at and a hose popped off. Bled it off and put the hose back on and started over (in disbelief) with the board on. Got a couple of shots off and noticed the LPR gauge at 50 psi. :confused: Adjusted the LPR up slightly and the pressure spiked back to 150 psi again.

The only way I could get it to regulate was to back the adjuster all the way out and start over every time, but after a couple of shots it would hang up. Good thing I have an Alias LPR coming.

I just need to figure out something else to do with this no level lpr. Doesn't sound like anyone here needs any parts and I can't bring myself to sell it on ebay with $20 shipping as a 'mad crazy upgrade for your gat'. It looks like a heavy duty fishing bobber, I wonder if it will float. :rolleyes:

[crankwalk]

oops.. sounds like a total bust. could it be the schrader valve? maybe it takes a different kind of valve that looks like the schrader? or was it identical?

you should be good with the Alias LPR

LOL @ the fishing bobber