Intimidator Library Addendum - Derivatives

[4N2NR]

Intimidator Library Addendum

The Intimidator derivatives

These are not considered “true” (or “pure”) Intimidators (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136) by many because they did not originate from BLAST or from a BLAST partnership with another manufacturer or supplier (such as Empire or ShockTech). There were knockoffs (aka "clones", "Intimidator style", "compatibles", etc.) such as the 04/05 Nemesis (from CYPaintball - Careyu Corporation), Timee (http://web.archive.org/web/20050207152341/http://www.bradyspaintball.com/trpabadhati2.html) (referenced in this old thread (http://www.pbnation.com/archive/index.php?t-706464.html)), Aphix and AIM bodied (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=71252099#post71252099) guns. Some were not available as a complete gun from one store as they have to be assembled by the owner. As one member of the forum has likened these to “…a red headed step child. They are in the family but not one of Bob's kids.” and that is generally how many perceive them. The underlying sentiment towards these markers are that they do not belong in the Intimidator family no matter how many Bob Long parts are put on and in them. While others don't mind that they carry an Intimidator moniker as a reference. The important thing to realize is that these are not genuine Bob Long products and BLAST will not be able to honor any warranty or provide any service/parts for them (the non-BLAST parts anyways).

Intimidator derivatives are not rare in the sense that there were only “X” number produced in a production run or model line since most are built in a “1 of” fashion by individuals. Many are adorned with distinctive modifications, aftermarket parts, anodizes, and laser engravings and are quite unique in their own right. Values vary on them and similar builds can be at opposite ends on the spectrum due to craftsmanship or other issues. Most often pricing is determined to be “fair” when both the seller and buyer agree on a price and both are satisfied with the deal.

The different derivatives are Spimmy (Spyder-Intimidator hybrids – see the Official Spimmy Discussion Thread (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9)), AIM bodied (AIM Paintball bodies (either Jam, Rage or Genesis) with Intimidator frames and/or internals) and Frankentimmy (called this because of various working parts from any manufacturer but having Intimidator pieces which can either be stock, custom (machined, dremeled, or even just mismatched) incorporated somewhere. One such example might be a critical frame with cut Alias body, Techna trigger, Necro ram, CP HPR, Next Level LPR, and Alias front block and poppit).

Generally, but not always the case, a Timmy is classified based on the body it has. An Empire Intimidator body with a Critical frame and Dye autococker threaded barrel is just called an Empire Intimidator. The derivatives similarities, besides Intimidator specific parts, are in how the adjustments and base settings are to both the high and low pressure regulators, routing of the air, barbs, solenoids, bolts, etc. The default board settings are often exactly the same or very similar to the settings when installed in an Intimidator. And, the overall operation and efficiency are almost identical too. The possible exception to this would be in the Spimmy with a Spyder board and unique Spyder body internals.



Spimmy:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG0370.jpg
(Oscum Guy’s Pilot Spimmy (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20&postcount=2))

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2937/dscn6910.jpg
(LOLerblades’ 2K2 E99 Spimmy (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64536&postcount=86))


AIM bodied:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh246/metalblue_photo/Picture040.jpg
(metalblue’s AIM Jam bodied Timmy (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=72514&postcount=23) & February 2009 Intimidator of the Month)

http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/vampire6.jpg
(4N2NR’s Vampire AIM Jam bodied Timmy)

http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/AIMRage.jpg
(Ajak's AIM Rage (http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/AIMRageMsg.png) bodied Timmy)

http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/genesisbody.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/aimgenesis.jpg
(AIM Genesis body with Blitz Aphix (http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3496) frame (left) & AIM Genesis body with Intimidator frame (right))


Other guns:

http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/CYPBNemesis.png
CY Paintball Nemesis



Frankentimmy:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x295/goldwest57/frankentimmy/IMG_3175.jpg
(toolittletoolate’s Frankentimmy (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2936))


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/zeoalex/IMG_1133-1.jpg
(zeoalex’s AIM Rage bodied Frankentimmy (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1080))

[4N2NR]

Often discussed and sometimes disagreed upon (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=32381302#post32381302) is whether an Intimidator Team Gun, or Private Label (PL) gun, deserves to be listed as a unique model or a derivative with a different anodizing (Rendition (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=28419004#post28419004)), badge (Nor*Cal (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=28424501#post28424501)) or engraving of an existing Bob Long model. These are actual Intimidators but have team identifiers associated with them. Some are derived from an unique body style (Hellwood (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=28438540#post28438540) & Naughty Dogs - one is plain and one has the paw print) and some have unique team markings (Rendition with anodizing and Oakland Assassins with engraving of an Alias body) to differentiate them from the rest while others you can't tell whether it was team owned or purchased retail. There are no known professional team guns from the Spimmy, Aim or Frankentimmy body lines of derivatives. Not all team guns are listed here (and some others may be found in the Intimidator Library (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136) also while there will be some not listed in either place).


Hellwood (http://www.hellwood.com) (Paris, France) Used for the 2005 season. Video (http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/Hellwood%20style%20court.wmv) (stills slide show of the players & gear) from 2004 of the team using Bob Long guns. Hellwood body (same as Naughty Dogs body without paw print - approximately 15 made (7 for the team) from the factory (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35928&postcount=38) - but anywhere from 16 (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=70905060#post70905060) to possibly as many as 40 (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=51116314#post51116314)):
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/hellwood1.jpg
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/hellwood2.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/hellwood3.jpg


Portland Naughty Dogs (Portland, Oregon) Used for the 2005 season. They also go under the name the Seattle Naughty Dogs. The Naughty Dogs have participated in the NPPL and the NXL. In their first year as a professional team the Naughty Dogs did something no other team has ever done. In the same tournament year, the team won a Professional 10 Man event, 7 Man event, X Ball Event, and 5 Man event. The Naughty Dogs was started by Rocky Knuth in 1996. Most of the Dogs were from Pacific Northwest with a few players residing in other parts of the US. The Dogs started out playing everything local then in late 1998 moved up to national level tournaments. Their first national event they placed 2nd Am “A” 10 man, and that very same year they placed 2nd in their first World Cup appearance. In 2000 some of their most notable wins were the LA open 10 man and the first Mardi Gras Tournament. They kept training hard and the following year (2001) won the Ultimate Madness, Mardi Gras (won 5 jet skis), Gettysburg open and Challenge cup. Their last year as Amateur A (2002) they won the 5 man world Championship and the first ever X-Ball tournament at Disney. The Dogs turned pro in 2003 and had a great “rookie” year, winning 5 events and went down in history to be the first team to win a 10man pro, X-ball Pro, 7 Man pro and 5 man pro all in one season. In 2004 the dogs played very consistent making the final 4 in the majority of the events and winning the 5 Man World Championships for a 3 peat. 2005 was also an exciting year with the Dogs placing 3rd overall in both the NPPL and PSP series. The Naughty Dogs, because of their success in these professional leagues, drew 2006 sponsorships from Smart Parts, NOX, and Paintball R US. Settle thunder is one of the new pro teams to join the NPPL for the 2011 season along with Portland Uprising. Seattle Thunder was built with players from the now defunct legendary paintball team the Portland Naughty Dogs. Naughty Dogs body:
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/naughty.jpg


Los Angeles Ironmen (http://www.teamironmen.com) (Los Angeles, California) In 1983 Bob Long first played paintball with some freinds at Venture Games in Northern California. He and his associates that included Rick Baird and Chip Hyde to name only a couple decided to form a team and engage in competition. The team that formed became known as the Ironmen, in part due to Rick being an Iron worker by trade. At the end of the first year the group rallied and traveled North with the intention of competing in the Woodsball World Cup held at PaintballSports New York. The Ironmen won the Masters Division of the Woodsball Cup that year and for the first time tasted victory. As with all paintball teams, it was sometime in the 1990’s that the Ironmen underwent their evolution and Bob split from the team itself to form a secondary Ironmen crew. His team went on to continue competing. Needless to say it is this part of history from whence came what we know now as the LA Ironmen. (source: The Catshack Reports (http://www.catshackreports.com/2010/12/paintball%e2%80%99s-big-game-hunter-%e2%80%a6-bob-long/#more-12380)). Some of the first place finishes for the team were in 1991: Lone Star Open, Western Classic, World Cup, Bay City Open, Windy City Open and Manufacturers Open. In 1992 they won the ASO Open, Masters Five-Man and Windy City Open. In 1993 the Ironmen made the finals in all five events and taking the title in the process. In 1994 they placed second or higher in 3 out of 4 events they entered and they reffed the 5th event. In 1995 they placed third or or better in each event they entered. In 1996 they had a disasterous World Cup finish of 10th place and that is when they fired their team captain Bob Long. The original Ironmen consisted of Bob Long, Shane Pestana, Daryl Trent, Marty Fisch, Marty Bush, Clayton Kyle, Dave "Youngblood" Dehaan, Jamie Cannivaro, Dick Gadbury and others. For more information see The History of Paintball, The 90's Part 11: The Ironmen Dominate (http://history.paintballx3.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95:the-90s-part-10-the-ironmen-dominate&catid=37:the-game-a-the-industry&Itemid=37), The 90's Part 16: Ironmen Win in the UK (http://history.paintballx3.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100:the-90s-part-15-ironmen-win-in-the-uk&catid=37:the-game-a-the-industry&Itemid=37) and The 90's Part 23: The Ironmen Split (http://history.paintballx3.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111:the-90s-part-22-the-ironmen-split&catid=37:the-game-a-the-industry&Itemid=37). Ironmen body:
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/ironmanp.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/Ironmen1.jpg


Nor*Cal (Petaluma, California) Ironmen body with custom badge:
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/norcal.jpg

[4N2NR]

Oakland Assassins (Oakland, California) The NXL debuted at the 2003 Mardi Gras Open. After the success of the first Nation's Cup X-Ball tournament held at the 2002 Diablo International Amateur Open, ProCaps owner and X-Ball creator Richmond Italia began creating the framework for a professional sports league built around the X-Ball concept. a franchise system was put into place as the basis of ownership of teams within the new league, as this was the accepted system in other sports such as football, baseball and hockey. Cities the teams would represent were chosen by television demographics and their proximity to team owners, and by mid-January 2003, the groundwork for the National X-Ball League was completed. the National X-Ball League played its first games at the 2003 Mardi Gras Open in New Orleans. Eight franchise teams, the Philadelphia Americans, Oakland Assassins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8S8UNcVgz8&feature=related), Miami Effect, Los Angeles Ironmen, Baltimore Trauma, Detroit Thunder, Chicago Aftershock and New York Xtreme participated in the NXL during its first year, manned by some of the best players ever to walk onto a paintball field. Adam and Billy Gardner transformed the legendary All Americans into their Philadelphia franchise, while the ultimate captain, Bob Long, became the ultimate coach as Bob Long's Ironmen became the Oakland Assassins. Ground Zero morphed into NYX and one of the best amateur teams ever to play paintball, Trauma, led by Rob Staudinger and Dave "Opie" Thomas of Image, took on the Baltimore name. Chris Lasoya joined numerous members of his former teammates on Avalanche, along with some new blood, on Miami Effect, and some of the greatest names in paintball history, Aftershock and the Ironmen, soldiered on. Owners of franchises included some of paintball's biggest names, such as Dye, National Paintball Supply, Draxxus and Smart Parts. Through controversy over the wait for television deals, departing and reorganizing teams and the costs involved with running franchises that now cost as much as six figures to create, the NXL perservered and announced that their "holy grail," television coverage of the National X-Ball League, would come to fruition as ESPN 2 would televise the NXL in late 2004. When asked where the NXL would be in ten years, league commissioner Mike Ratko stated flatly, "on television, with a new vision statement because the first one would have been accomplished." Ratko continued to discuss the future of the league, saying "one of our objectives is for each team to have its own stadium or arena where we will play our games. Just like other major league sports, a team will travel to another city and play one game in front of an audience. There might be several games being played in cities across the US. Just like other major league sports."(source: History of Paintball, The 2000s Part 10:NXL Debuts (http://history.paintballx3.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=137:the-2000s-part-10-nxl-debuts&catid=36:the-game-a-the-industry&Itemid=41)) Alias body (approximately 12 made for the team from the factory) (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84145&postcount=11), special team board with custom programming:
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oa3.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oa4.jpg
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oa1.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oa2.jpg
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oab1.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oab2.jpg


Rendition (Lakeland, Florida) Used for the 2007 season. The gun specs - Limited Edition Bob Long Alias Intimidator with Custom Factory Anno (Factory Dust White Body and Grip Frame), Factory Gloss Purple feedneck, eye covers, trigger guard, ram sleeve, lpr block, Spyder Detents, Lasoya LPR Knob, Assassins Bearing Trigger or Critical Trigger (depending on taste of the player), Empire Trigger Guard, Infamous/Empire2 Low Rise Feedneck, Critical Direct Mount ASA, Custom Products .693 14" Classic Barrel, Bob Long Adjustable Ram Cap, Stainless Steel Screw Kit, Frenzy 127.5C board (semi, PSP, 3 shot, NXL), Lined up fitting between reg and guard, and volly square oring installed on each reg for snug fit. Video review (http://www.socialpaintball.com/media/398/Rendition_Alias_Review) by Mike Philips. Rendition Alias (17 made for the team from the factory) (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=27577867#post27577867):
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/rendition.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/rendition1.jpg


Crossfire (Saint Cloud, Minnesota) The Crossfire (http://www.supairbowl.com) Alias gun specs - Limited Edition Bob Long Alias Intimidator with Custom Factory Anno (14 made for the team from the factory).The team has played D1 NPPL and have been a very loyal Bob Long Team for a long time. Photos courtesy of PeboJelly (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/member.php?u=3033).

http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/crossfire1.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/crossfire2.jpg
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/crossfire3.jpghttp://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/crossfire4.jpg


Team Boards contains "special" programming for accessing additional functions not ordinarily found on stock boards. These boards are sometimes referred to as "cheater boards" as they allegedly allow the user the ability to access "enhanced" fire modes while the gun is in operation (without the need to power down). And, if given to a referee for compliance testing, it will perform within tournament parameters without revealing the enhanced modes. There is extremely little known publicly about these programs. There are no manuals on how to program the boards, what the enhanced modes are, how to access the modes or how to turn off or inhibit them. There are no records of how many boards were programmed and which teams received these boards. Every so often they turn up in a marker or gear sale from former team members.

Unkown team Board -
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/p13board.jpg
Oakland Assassins Board-
http://www.streetextremes.com/images/Paintball/teamguns/oab1.jpg


PM or post up any additional information you may have. If you know when the models were used (dates) or any other unique info about the teams, the guns or even custom boards used in the guns - any info will be greatly appreciated.

[battlechaser]

This deserves a mention. Or ten.

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/album.php?albumid=179

[DFSniper]

agreed.

vike's spimmy is pretty good too. and i think theres a third type of AIM body floating around somewhere.

and did FBM put out and bodies, or were those all spimmy conversions?

also, the genesis with aphix frame is the AIM Geneisis (basically a 2k2 clone with a cocker LPR)

http://images.craigslist.org/3n13k93o65O65U55R3b3db14bcd5eece21022.jpg

[oldironmudder]

This deserves a mention. Or ten.

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/album.php?albumid=179


Oh god yes!!!

[Oh husqvarna]

What about the warped timmys?

[battlechaser]

I believe the Dark was the only one. And was made by BL, just a PL body.

[oldironmudder]

What about the warped timmys?

I have pictures & info on one of them. I think Simon (KEE) has the other one.

[paintballkid11]

would the flame timmy be one??

[battlechaser]

No, the Flame, like every one of the Team guns are true Bob Longs. Imo they shouldn't be listed here as they are made by the same people on the same machine's that produce true Intimidators. This thread should only list aftermarket bodies or Timmy clones, like the Aim bodies, Aim guns and System X NME. Just link people to the Intimidator Library rather than copy/pasting someone else's work.

[DFSniper]

I have pictures & info on one of them. I think Simon (KEE) has the other one.

saywhat now?

[Diablo3585]

Wouldn't PL timmys still be considered Intimidators?

[oldironmudder]

As far as the bodies go, I think it should be split into 2 groups. In house & Aftermarket.

[toolittletoolate]

This deserves a mention. Or ten.

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/album.php?albumid=179

Get Tim to get some more pics of it, he still has it lol

[oldironmudder]

Get Tim to get some more pics of it, he still has it lol

You sure? I could have sworn Josh bought it back & did a little more work to it.

[4N2NR]

Yes, Private Label (PL) Intimidators are considered "true" Intimidators as compared to the Aim bodied and Spimmy (the step-children). The Frankentimmy is also a "true" Intimidator in that it is made from Bob Long parts from production guns but not necessarily in the configuration some people build them in. The debate goes back before my time with a Timmy as to whether or not a team gun (or PL) should be considered as an individual model or not. One that I have seen is the debate about whether or not a Rendition Alias is anything more than an Alias. Some feel it should just be an Alias while others recognize the colors as a PL model. So by me calling it a derivative it is only in the broadest sense as some guns were full out production models and available to the general public while others were special anno colors or engravings on models not generally available to the public. My intent here is document as closely as possible the "from the factory" setup and condition of these team guns, or Private Labels, as compared to what was generally available to someone who was not on the team (like specially programmed boards or any other unique piece/part). If the post needs to be pruned and made into a seperate thread (or deleted altogether) that is fine if that is what the admins/mods want to do. I certainly do not want to distort the history of the Intimdator by posting any incorrect or misleading information. However, I would like to try and capture as much original information and facts as possible since it is so easy to retrofit earlier models with later parts and over time what becomes known as the "truth" may not have been so origiinally.

[DFSniper]

You sure? I could have sworn Josh bought it back & did a little more work to it.

he did. bill, tim no longer owns that gun (as of last summer IIRC)

[shunut]

I own the gun again, I regretted selling it the second I shipped it off (no offense Tim, I would have regretted no matter who I sent it to). The second Tim asked me if I wanted to buy it back, I said yes. The pictures showed through that link are pretty much how she looks now, with the exception of the back block, I had that ano'd black. I just so everyone knows, I use her every time I play.

[toolittletoolate]

I own the gun again, I regretted selling it the second I shipped it off (no offense Tim, I would have regretted no matter who I sent it to). The second Tim asked me if I wanted to buy it back, I said yes. The pictures showed through that link are pretty much how she looks now, with the exception of the back block, I had that ano'd black. I just so everyone knows, I use her every time I play.

Awesome. Good to have it with someone who actually gets out and plays :P

[the incubus]

saywhat now?
^^^ This x2 for me!!!!?!?!!!?!?!!!

Unless I missed something there is but one Warped/Dark Timmy and it has never changed. Perhaps James is thinking of another model he may have seen?

[oldironmudder]

^^^ This x2 for me!!!!?!?!!!?!?!!!

Unless I missed something there is but one Warped/Dark Timmy and it has never changed. Perhaps James is thinking of another model he may have seen?


The Z timmy that had a feedneck conversion for warpfeeds. Thought I had some info on it no where near what I thought.

[DFSniper]

I own the gun again, I regretted selling it the second I shipped it off (no offense Tim, I would have regretted no matter who I sent it to). The second Tim asked me if I wanted to buy it back, I said yes. The pictures showed through that link are pretty much how she looks now, with the exception of the back block, I had that ano'd black. I just so everyone knows, I use her every time I play.
josh, you dont have to lie. id hate to send anything to tim too :P heck, took him over a year to send me the chubborz/hoppy mojo'd AMG!
^^^ This x2 for me!!!!?!?!!!?!?!!!

Unless I missed something there is but one Warped/Dark Timmy and it has never changed. Perhaps James is thinking of another model he may have seen?
like james said, its basically a GZ modified by simon (manike) for warp left feed. not sure if its a 1-of, or if there are 2, the one in timmy of hte month on pbn for january is the exact same black/blue fade that simon posted in his 2008 youtube video.

edit: the pbn warp just went up for sale today: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3618393

[crankwalk]

Admin/mod - can this post be moved to the number #3 post slot, please? I assume you can prune and graft (or change the date/time of this post to: 05-29-2011, 08:21 AM). I have reached the 10,000 character limit in number #2 post and need to split the content up. Or...if post number #2 needs to be pruned and made into a seperate thread (or deleted altogether) that is fine too.4N2NR, done.

[4N2NR]

The Z timmy that had a feedneck conversion for warpfeeds. Thought I had some info on it no where near what I thought.

Was it perhaps this Empire from Doc's Machine (http://www.docsmachine.com/customguns.html) that you were thinking of maybe instead of that Z?

http://www.docsmachine.com/empire2.jpg

[oldironmudder]

Was it perhaps this Empire from Doc's Machine (http://www.docsmachine.com/customguns.html) that you were thinking of maybe instead of that Z?

http://www.docsmachine.com/empire2.jpg


Nah its not the one Doc built. Its an actual GZ/Z body that was modified. I thought I saw it on here in the BST but I know its on MCB. I got them save on my computer if they arent already uploaded. And when I get time to clean my computer & upload a bunch of pictures I will send it all to you.

[Ryan10]

Awesome thread!

First pic of Hellwood just made my day!!! Didnt have that one. Thanks 4N2NR