Official Spimmy Discussion Thread

[crankwalk]

As we all know, the majority of the parts on a Spimmy project come from our beloved Intimidators. We welcome the discussion of the Spimmying process here! Please feel free to post questions, and pictures of your completed projects.

Tutorials are below:

Probably the most detailed Spimmy building guide around - created by our own vikingshadow: Vike Builds a Spimmy (http://www.freewebs.com/vikesbuildaspimmy/)

Spimmy guide from the Page of Rob: Spimmy Tutorial (http://www.pageofrob.com/spimmytutor.html)

The original Spimmy resource: OtterSC Customs Guide (http://www.ottersccustoms.com/timmy.html)

[Oscum Guy]

here is my guide Oscum Spimmy Guide (http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=11484). not a great guide but by a great guy!


here are my spimmys:
pilot spimmy: (ooh just noticed that back cap)
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG0370.jpg

my super low budget pos spimmy (has a spyder tboard lol):
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_1254.jpg

both:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_1253.jpg

[vikingshadow]

Might as well throw mine into the mix...I call it a Spimego because it has an Ego feedneck (sure, it's just one part, but then again it only has a Spyder body and barrel on it, so I figure what the heck?!) Yes, in this picture the Ego feedneck is turned around backwards....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/spimmy%20website%20pics/completedspimmy2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/spimmy%20website%20pics/completedspimmy3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/spimmy%20website%20pics/Completedspimmy1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/spimmy%20website%20pics/completedspimmy4.jpg

[GOD]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c35/royalkingsmitus/spimmy/2.png

[Critical]

Spimmy using MR1 body:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/jeffstory/Mil-Spim%20Project/Mil-Spim2.jpg
Still very much in progress...

[Oscum Guy]

critical, what left do you have to do?

[GOD]

If that's a current photo, he needs eye covers and it looks like an LPR, but it could be hiding.

[Critical]

I've got so much left, it's not even funny. Off the top of my head:
- Create eye covers out of thin air, since none that I've found will work with both the nearly flat Spyder body and the offset feedneck.

- Purchase parts. Biggest parts left are the regulator and LPR. I'm going to use the Palmer's Female Stabilizer, mounted with their ring kit in a bottomline configuration. For the LPR, I'm using their Micro Rock Stabilizer, which is usually used for cockers, but will be mounted on one of the outputs of the reg with the hose running up through the clamshell. Plus, I've got a ton of little here and there type parts to get.

- Shave poppit spring nub. If you notice, there's a little thing that sticks out under the barrel. I'm going for kind of a WWII look with the shroud, and it won't fit with that thing sticking out, time to break out the dremel.

- Run HP air lines, cut back of bolt so the stock fits, decide if I'm going to cut into the body or not to show off the ram sleeve, decide on anno, decide on grips, final assembly, test & tune, etc ad infinidum...

It might be ready next year...I hope

[Oscum Guy]

hmmm.. doesnt sound like that much. seriously tho. dont think i needs anno.


btw, DONT cut to show the ram sleeve.

[BloodLustAC]

How come nobody does a Spimmy with a 2k5 frame? With the 2k2 frame on a Spyder body the back reminds me of classic Timmies that used that decoration block.

But really a 2k5 Spimmy would be really hot. Is there not enough room in the clamshell or is is just because 2k5 stuff is more expensive?

[crankwalk]

BloodLustAC: probably because spimmy builders are on a budget and a $40-$50 2k2 frame is much more appealing than a $100+ 2k5 style frame.

But it can be done.. I'm building one for grins with 2k5 parts. It still requires the decoration block though.

[Oscum Guy]

naw its expensive. loolk on pbn ive seen a couple 2k5 spimmies. you just gotta mil a bit under the body to get the noid to fit. i had to do taht with my frame to.

[Critical]

It's because it's more expensive I think. Most people aren't willing to shell out $100+ for a 2k5 clamshell to put on a body they might have gotten for $10, when the 2k2 clammshell can be found for $30-40. If I ever finish my Mil-Spim, I think my next project will use a 2k5 though, I think some of the new Spyder bodies are just asking to be Spimmyed.

[BloodLustAC]

BloodLustAC: probably because spimmy builders are on a budget and a $40-$50 2k2 frame is much more appealing than a $100+ 2k5 style frame.

But it can be done.. I'm building one for grins with 2k5 parts. It still requires the decoration block though.

Yeah I figured it was an issue of expense. I forgot that the original intention of a Spimmy was to cut costs below what a real Timmy would cost =P Guess the 2k5 wouldn't help there.

I'll hafta go look over on PBN for those, but since I'm not ASM I probably hafta wait a day to search :mad:

EDIT: you guys are pretty active on this site, that was a fast response! You should see Angel-owners... it's like a post a week on non-BST threads. Guess that tells you something about Angels?

[Oscum Guy]

search now, the members is down!

[jrmiller]

:tup: to the guys that have built a spimmy. taknes morework then i want to do. :):tup:

[Critical]

Only requires assembling the parts and drilling one hole.

[crankwalk]

one hole if you don't want eyes :)

otherwise its a couple more holes, some tapping....

[armyofeclipse]

i tried making a spimmy out of an older Piranha R6...didnt work out...

[GOD]

Only requires assembling the parts and drilling one hole.

one hole if you don't want eyes :)

otherwise its a couple more holes, some tapping....

What about the top cocking slot for the timmy bolt pin? That takes some milling, it's also an option to use a spyder bolt with a modded striker pin to fit into the groove on the ram but then to remove the bolt you have to remove the ram sleeve.

[crankwalk]

What about the top cocking slot for the timmy bolt pin? That takes some milling, it's also an option to use a spyder bolt with a modded striker pin to fit into the groove on the ram but then to remove the bolt you have to remove the ram sleeve.True.. I was assuming a top cocking body being used. I once made a Spimmy out of a T1 body with no extra milling for the Timmy bolt needed :D

[Critical]

It's also very easy to mill the top slot. I've got an old E99 body that I made a parts marker out of that I cut in the top cocking slot, It's now using the internals from my Mil-Spim.

[BigRed76]

naw its expensive. loolk on pbn ive seen a couple 2k5 spimmies. you just gotta mil a bit under the body to get the noid to fit. i had to do taht with my frame to.

How much milling? Just an extension of the slot that the sear used to use?

Btw... Alias is about $350, parts Spyder body for $15. Makes a $365 2k5'd Spimmy, and you get to sell an Alias body to get back some of your cash. ;)

[crankwalk]

Yes basically its milling around the sear slot.. should be widened and lengthened.. at least that's what I did - to make sure there's enough room for the board, noid, hoses, etc

[vikingshadow]

Milling really isn't that difficult if you have the right tools (not a milling machine, but a good drill press and drill bits.) I did mine completely with a drill press and some small files.

PS: My internet is back - along with my air conditioning! Whooo Hoooo!

[Critical]

Which was more important? lol.

I did the milling on the E99 by hand with a cordless drill and a Dremel, and I can tell you that unless you are reasonably OCD, like me, you will screw up the cut. Drill press is a requirement.

[vikingshadow]

Which was more important? lol.

Well, I felt naked without the internet, and I WAS naked without the air conditioning....I suppose the neighbors think the AC was more important for that very reason. I know my wife did! :(

I started with the dremel - and about 2 seconds into it, I said, "Nope. Uh uh! Ain't gonna happen!"

[Critical]

The image! It was not needed! (all i need now is a lolcat picture...)

[vikingshadow]

harharhar! I just added about 12 cat pics to the caturday thread....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/smilies/Off-Topic.gif

Ok, we seriously hijacked this thread....or, Im in ur thred, stealin your topicz!

[Critical]

Sometimes the most interesting threads are the hijacked ones.

On-Topic question: with a 2k5/alias frame, do the hose barbs fit, or would it be better to use 90* barbs and dremel out a groove in the body? I think that once I get the Mil-Spim done, I'm going to get one of the Sonix 07 markers with a 2k5 frame and put something together.

[BigRed76]

Hmmm.... Interesting... I think I'll just rig together a jig and use an end mill bit on a drill press. Crankwalk, do you have exact measurements?

[crankwalk]

sorry no i don't have exact measurements.. it was more of small trial cuts and fitting the frame on after milling a bit off to see where the board/noid was positioned.. check with Oscum I think he said he's done it too

[BigRed76]

OK, I guess I can go that route as well. I think I'll measure out the top of the frame and just do that... Can't be massively hard. I need an estimate of size because I need to pick up an end mill bit, have any suggestions on that?

[crankwalk]

1/2" wide should do it

[IRStookmySpyder]

I will post some pictures of my Spimmy when I am done. It isn't really my main gun, well the Timmy parts are, but I have a Spyder body, barrel, feedneck around so I am going to have a spimmy. It should be done in a couple weeks. It has a Spyder Imagine body with a 2k2 clamshell.

[Oscum Guy]

as of today i no longer have 2 spimmies. lol.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_12921.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_12931.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_12941.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/IMG_12951.jpg

[crankwalk]

nice! aim jam body - but get a feedneck on it! :D

[Oscum Guy]

thanks, ill get to the proshop soon and get one. it has impy threads, weird huh.

[IRStookmySpyder]

That is weird, but the body looks pretty cool, IMO. The barrel isn't imp threads is it?

[Oscum Guy]

barrel is cocker. i got a feedneck. ill get a pic laterz.

[IRStookmySpyder]

OK, that is what I thought. Can't wait to see the pictures of it.

[IRStookmySpyder]

Spimmy should be done sometime this week.

[Oscum Guy]

noice man! ill get pics as soon as i find my cam. lol.

[IRStookmySpyder]

Lol, ya. I should be getting the ram sleeve, ram cap, poppit, WAS board, bolt, and some other things tomorrow, so I will put it together then and show you.

[IRStookmySpyder]

Never mind on my Spimmy guys. I don't feel like milling the body for the 2k2 bolt to fit, but my 2k2 is done so I am happy.

[Critical]

Ok, so I've been reading up on the new 08 Intimidators. Some love the Protoge, others don't. In the information I've picked up, it says that the body is based off a shortened Alias body. If this is true, what do you think the chances are that these new internals might fit our Spyder bodies without the overhang?

[Oscum Guy]

the manifold solenoid might be a problem.

[FattyMcBOOMBOOM]

nice, always wanted to build one, heck I have 2 spyders jus lying around

[IRStookmySpyder]

FattyMcBOOMBOOM- Do you have the right, functional Timmy parts laying around though? Lol.

[basictraining]

is there a way to somehow make like a custom ram sleeve to fit fatty style markers?

[crankwalk]

Probably the only way to do it is if you get a machine shop to custom make you some sort of insert to fit the fatty that also fits the ram sleeve inside (this is just what I've heard, I've never seen it done, nor heard if this would actually work/seal/ etc)

You thinking of using an original Bob Long spyder body or something? :D

[basictraining]

yes sir, BLM

[crankwalk]

That would be cool but like I said I've never seen anyone successfully do this Spimmy conversion with a fatty body. The problem is that the ram sleeve isn't large enough to fill the striker area in those bodies so you need something to fill the gaps around it.. that's why all you see as far as Spimmys are the slim striker bodies

[DFSniper]

here's an interesting spimmy. i have an AMG version planned out in my head already.
http://spyder.tv/forums/showpost.php...&postcount=210

edit: crankwalk, if you had the exact dimensions of the gap between the ram sleeve and body, couldn't you make a sleeve for the sleeve, granted that you find the right material?

[crankwalk]

Yes you could probably have a machine shop make a sleeve for the sleeve - the only thing about this is that if you look at a Timmy ram sleeve it has two o-rings to seal any gap between the sleeve and the body. So I assume to minimize risks of air leaking between the "sleeve sleeve" and the fatty body, you'd need to have the machine shop also mill some o-ring grooves and then you'd need to proper sized o-rings in there. This is all pure conjecture though so I may by totally wrong on this :D

[DFSniper]

hmm, or you could just go ahead and have them mill you a fatty ram sleeve :D

[crankwalk]

Could be another option.. you'd just have to have them pay special attention to the poppet sealing face because that's another area for leak potential. Basically they'd need to duplicate the milling and dimensions of a standard sleeve but use a thicker piece of aluminum and leave extra material to fill the fatty gap

Id love to see someone do this! :D the milling would probably cost more than the marker though :cheers:

[M-baller]

Anyone have the eye template? Ottercustoms site no longer exists so I'm kind of in the dark on this.

Or is there anyone who offers the service of drilling and tapping all the holes needed (one for barb, eyes, eye covers, detent hole)?

I don't check here often so feel free to hit me up on aim or msn.

Aim= Mballer2011
Msn= m_lanoue@msn.com

[crankwalk]

Ottercustoms site no longer exists so I'm kind of in the dark on this.That sucks. When did this happen? Are you (or is anyone here) sure its gone for good? I'll look into pulling a copy of the site from Internet Archive and see if I can host a clone here on IOG. But in the meantime here's the eye template. Double-click the attachment below. Thank goodness I downloaded it way back when!

:cheers:

Update: Internet Archive has no pictures in their copy of Otter's page - basically worthless without pics. I'll keep looking around for a good copy of everything....

[M-baller]

That sucks. When did this happen? Are you (or is anyone here) sure its gone for good? I'll look into pulling a copy of the site from Internet Archive and see if I can host a clone here on IOG. But in the meantime here's the eye template. Double-click the attachment below. Thank goodness I downloaded it way back when!

:cheers:

Update: Internet Archive has no pictures in their copy of Otter's page - basically worthless without pics. I'll keep looking around for a good copy of everything....

Iunno it's been down for quite some time if I can remember right. I was going to start a spimmy a long time ago but just didn't feel like it/didn't have the money. I'm guessing it's gone for good as I said it's been a LONG time since I can remember it being up.

Thanks, that template confuses the hell out of me and I doubt it fits right on an 05 imagine body but eh what the hell.

Also, anyone know if I'll be able to use killa magnetic detents on this or not? I think it wouldn't work being the detent hole on the one side is hella big.

[crankwalk]

That's a good question about the Kila detents.. You're right the one hole on the side isn't going to help keep the magnetic piston in place. I think the only way to get this to work is to use stock covers with compatible detents and glue one of them into the cover (where the huge hole is).

And the diagram should fit your Imagine body.. He used an 05 Fenix body I think and they should all be the same dimensions...

[DFSniper]

that diagram was designed for spyders with rounded top tubes, and a lot of the newer ones are flat on the sides, but you shouldn't be off too much

oh, and crank, are these the pics you're talking about?
http://web.archive.org/web/20061104042209/www.ottersccustoms.com/eyeinstal.html

[vikingshadow]

Hey, long time no visit! Glad to see everything is up and going strong still.

I noticed someone on the last page asking for the eye template Otter used to have - here's a link to the on on Scenario Dreams...I believe it's the exact same one.

http://www.scenariodreams.com/t-board/eye_template.pdf

[DFSniper]

hey vike!

this is otter's template (from the link i posted):
http://web.archive.org/web/20061104042917/www.ottersccustoms.com/pdf/eye-template.pdf

[crankwalk]

Thanks for the links to the templates guys, I also already have the template hosted here on IOG as an attachment to this post (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13312&postcount=59) so we are sure we always have a copy in case those other sites go down like Otter's site.

DFSniper, thanks for the link to archive.org but I wasn't referring to those pics I was referring to the main pics that should have resided at www.ottersccustoms.com/timmy.html. However I was looking at 2008 archives.. I see you pulled pics from a 2006 archive, I will click on the older links and see if I can find anything useful.

[M-baller]

I can't wait to finish this spimmy, just need to send it out to a friend to drill and tap for eyes and such. Then I need to buy some screws, a ram, maybe a ram sleave as I've heard that 2k5s work much better, apparantly some 2k2 eye covers as killas wont work, barrel, feedneck, and asa. Sounds like a lot but not really.

[M-baller]

It seems that when I put my ram sleeve and front block on the ram sleeve is too short. This is a stupid question (don't feel like taking my rage timmah apart though) but shouldn't the front of the ram sleeve be in contact with the front block? If so my ram sleeve must somehow be too short or for some reason the spyder imagine body is too long?

[crankwalk]

No, there should be roughly a 1 inch gap between the front block and the ram sleeve sealing face. This is the area where the poppet and spring reside.

In actuality, your imagine body will be too short and the ram sleeve will stick out of the back :D - line up the retaining grub screw hole in the body with the divit in the ram sleeve where the screw makes contact with the sleeve and you will see what I mean.

[M-baller]

No, there should be roughly a 1 inch gap between the front block and the ram sleeve sealing face. This is the area where the poppet and spring reside.

In actuality, your imagine body will be too short and the ram sleeve will stick out of the back :D - line up the retaining grub screw hole in the body with the divit in the ram sleeve where the screw makes contact with the sleeve and you will see what I mean.

That's why I was wondering if my ram sleeve was short (the gap). Yes I knew about the back of the ram sleeve sticks out.

Thanks for your help as always Crankwalk.

[faaeng]

Ive a quick question. Ive a spare TES body and was wondering if I would be able to use bounce beam eyes with the stock board from a 2k2 Lasoya? (I've got alotta spare parts) or would I have to drill and tap new holes and go with break beam?

I will eventually drill the holes for breakbeam eyes but not to sure when I'll get around to it.
Does the Timmy board recognize bounce beam eyes at all?

Oh and by the way. Hi ^_^

[BigRed76]

I'm not so certain it would work, as the Timmy was originally designed for breakbeam eyes. The original 2k2 boards didn't support much, and the options were limited. Your best bet would be to drill and tap for the other eye first.


Welcome to IOG!

[faaeng]

I figured as much. Thanks for the info. I would prefer having breakbeam eyes anyways but was hoping I could get away with bouncebeam for the time beeing. Oh well. I'll have to bump that up on my todo list. =P

[DFSniper]

anyone seen this before: http://www.beog.org/redeye/spimmy.php

[crankwalk]

^^ that's quite interesting in that they didn't use a Timmy grip frame but modded another frame to fit

cool project

[SparkyGT]

pretty neat stuff, lotsa time involved though, i went partway through doing a spimmy, then thought WTF, bought timmies instead.

[DFSniper]

same. i looked up all the parts i wanted, and it came to about $300. bought a timmy for $220.

[Shifter19]

lol, working on a Spimmy project using a Spyder Fenix body. Anyone know if there are shops that rent out time on drill presses? My only contact with one moved and sold it.

[crankwalk]

You can always call and ask various machine shops. I know some schools have shop classes with drill presses also..

[Shifter19]

I talked to the metals teacher at my school, and they dont have any drill presses! the woods class is he only class with some drill presses, but i dont htink they will let me in to use one unless i bring my own bits.

[Reyke]

too bad there's no one left that drills and taps bodies for eye covers anymore

[Shifter19]

Lol. I've decided im going to make my own eye covers that will fit over the top of the body around the feedneck, and cover both sides, only being retained by the original detent screw and feedneck screws. Nifty, right?

[battlechaser]

too bad there's no one left that drills and taps bodies for eye covers anymore

I think jester_s1 on PBN, and Omega Ra here do.

[Omega Ra]

Shhh lolol. Yeah I have done it...for my spyder and for a guy on PBN.

[DFSniper]

i was going to recommend jester too, BC...

and ra, i may pester you for your services in the future.

[BrainEmindless]

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae82/BrainEmindless/MR2Spimmy/DSCF0004.jpg


http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae82/BrainEmindless/MR2Spimmy/DSCF0006.jpg

It's not quite done yet but here it is. This MR2 was my first marker and I wanted to resurrect it as a Spimmy. It has been fun I am hopeful it will be an awesome mil-sim gun. I think it'll be a little heavy for speedball but it shoud be fine in the woods.

[LOLerblades]

Its not done yet but I had extra parts lying around so I threw this together
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2937/dscn6910.jpg
2k2 E99

[GOD]

The real question:
Are you planning on finishing it?

[LOLerblades]

depends on if i get the cash