Infamous Intimidator Not Shooting Correctly

[Stewey956]

My settings: Dwell @ 7ms, Bolt Delay @ 12ms, Debounce @ 3ms, Eyes on Forced Mode.

AKA SCM III, AKA 2 Liter +, Eigenram with lighter spring.

No matter what settings I use on the LPr + HPR, same results.

Video shows me using the stock reg, but same thing happens with the 2 Liter.

Here is a video of what I am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLKZf24PVX8

[Alias2007]

open up the clam shell and check for a kinked hose.

[hype]

open up the clam shell and check for a kinked hose.

or wrong hose routing, yes I've done it too........:cheers::cheers:

[Stewey956]

I checked all the hoses over, changed the battery, Nothing.

The marker ran fine a couple of weeks ago, hadn't done anything to it but lubed the ram.

I manually cycled the solenoid, and it barely moves the bolt.

Bad noid?

Edit: Bolt cycles fine with manual.

[IRStookmySpyder]

Stewey956- Do you have a friend that lives local to you that you could borrow their solenoid just to check? That sounds believable that it could be the thing wrong.

[Stewey956]

I have an extra solenoid.

I have another video I made, this situation is really weird. I am uploading it right now.

[IRStookmySpyder]

Stewey956- Did you timmy work with a new solenoid or no?

[Stewey956]

I haven't installed it, don't want to break anything, too impatient tonight.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_rT4kQ3yRVA

[IRStookmySpyder]

Stewey956- I would just wait till tomorrow and see what your results are after putting a new noid in just so you can cross that off of the list of things that could be wrong or you can determine that the noid is going bad.

[Stewey956]

Could it be that I overlubed the ram?

[jay814u]

man that is strange looks like no air is getting to the bolt did you take ram sleeve out or did you just take ram out to lube?

[Stewey956]

Just the ram.

[crankwalk]

Remove the rear barb block and see if there are any obstructions or the little o-ring has become wedged in the passage. The only reason I mention this is because our user jay814u had what sounds like the exact same problem you have and he said he removed and reinstalled his barb block and all was well. Thread is here:

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=893

[Stewey956]

Remove the rear barb block and see if there are any obstructions or the little o-ring has become wedged in the passage. The only reason I mention this is because our user jay814u had what sounds like the exact same problem you have and he said he removed and reinstalled his barb block and all was well. Thread is here:

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=893

I posted in that thread too, and he posted in this one.

What exactly is the rear barb block?

[IRStookmySpyder]

I think he is talking about the barb on the back of the ram sleeve. Just take it off and see what that does for you.

[jay814u]

the rear barb block is the little square peice the barb screws into on the barb located in the rear of marker close to ram cap it is held in by 4 screws when you remove it there shoukld be a small o-ring the seats between the block and the actual ram sleeve if that is not there it will not fire. in the manual the part is labeled 70a for block and o-ring is 35 i believe if you dont have it download it in the manual section of this site

[IRStookmySpyder]

jay814u- Seems like it's fresh in your memory from your problem that you just had.

[jay814u]

yeah not very long ago i was going crazy trying to figure out what the hell was wrong :eek:

[Stewey956]

I'm out of air, but I took out the O-Ring, inspected it, cleaned the area, and put it back. We'll see how it goes when I have air.

[lopez17]

Also, raise your dwell to at least 8. Raise your bolt delay to 15.

Then if it's an air issue, trouble shoot it backwards. Take off the hosing off the front barb. Does it leak when you gas it up? If so you know the blockage is further down line. Remove hoses off the barb and see what happens. Look for kinks and debris in the hose and potentially in the noid.

[IRStookmySpyder]

I would agree with what lopez said, just keep checking everything for debris and kinks.

[Stewey956]

Also, raise your dwell to at least 8. Raise your bolt delay to 15.

Then if it's an air issue, trouble shoot it backwards. Take off the hosing off the front barb. Does it leak when you gas it up? If so you know the blockage is further down line. Remove hoses off the barb and see what happens. Look for kinks and debris in the hose and potentially in the noid.

Adjusted the settings, gotta wait a few days to get air.

No leaks at all.

[James_Haun]

Hey sorry to see that you are having troubles. I would removing the bolt o-rings and firing a few rounds, and see if it works better. You may be getting some drag. Not probably the source of the problem but you never know.

I would also look to your poppet as a problem too. It may not be opening all they way. Try taking it out and replacing the o-rings, relube it, and see if it works.

[IRStookmySpyder]

James_Haun- If you take out the bolt O-rings wouldn't it still leak since there would be no seal at all now?

[James_Haun]

Well, maybe. Thats why I said don't look at it as a sure thing for a fix. The o'rings provide a much better seal, but are not 100% required for operation. Why o'ringless bolts can be made. I want to eliminate the bolt as a source for any issues in it firing and sometimes I have had experience with the bolt o'rings swelling a bit since 55 is the main lube and getting stuck and torn. So a few shots with them off to see how it shoots without them on there would not be a bad thing.

EDIT: While you have the bolt out, take off the barrel and gas it up. Put your finger in the breach over the air port. (the port that feeds the air into the bolt) see how much air is getting through. Now turn up your LPR from lets say 80 to 95ish. Do you notice an increase in the air you feel? If it isn't significant then your valve is not opening up all the way. The problem then would lay with either the ram/poppet/or noid.

To eliminate the noid as an issue, you can swap it out for your other noid. If it still has issues fully cycling then try manually cycling the marker with the noid. Does it fully cycle? If so then the noid isn't getting enough juice.

[Stewey956]

I'll try everything when I get air.

How exactly do I access the poppet?

[jay814u]

you need to remove ram sleeve from marker then remove cover to poppet with wrench from front of ram sleeve look at diagram break down of marker in manual its number 68 that needs to be removed to get to poppet

[Stewey956]

Are there any breakdown videos for Intimidators?

[crankwalk]

I believe jay814u meant you need to remove the FRONT BLOCK :D not the ram sleeve to access the poppet. Once the front block is removed by removing the hex head grub screw that holds it in (you may or may not need to remove barb and hose at this spot to get to the grub screw) you can unscrew the rocket cap (poppet/valve cover) using a 3/8" socket. You may need to use a small extension of your socket is not long enough to reach into the body. I use the 1/4" type smallest socket wrench and sockets for this by the way.

[Stewey956]

Ok.

Should I do this now, or wait until I am at the field?

[kobu]

i had the same problem i rebuilt the gun it worked better then i called MAT from BLAST and sent it to them and they fixed it and now it mows

[Stewey956]

Trying to avoid sending it out. =S

[Turkey]

Stewey- I had the same Problem last weekend! What happened for me was I had the HPR Cranked in all the way! >< Try backing out the HPR. If that still doesn't work, try striping down the HPR and the LPR, wipe it clean, and relube. Good luck!

[Stewey956]

It couldn't be the regs.

The problem first arose when I was going to tune my gun for my SCM III, I went outside and it wouldn't shoot, so I thought my paint had swollen. I went inside.

Next week I go play, I shoot kind of inconsistently, but it would still shoot some down, and then my marker just went down and wouldn't shoot any better than what is in the videos.

I tried different combinations of the stock, and AKA regs.

[jay814u]

I believe jay814u meant you need to remove the FRONT BLOCK :D not the ram sleeve to access the poppet. Once the front block is removed by removing the hex head grub screw that holds it in (you may or may not need to remove barb and hose at this spot to get to the grub screw) you can unscrew the rocket cap (poppet/valve cover) using a 3/8" socket. You may need to use a small extension of your socket is not long enough to reach into the body. I use the 1/4" type smallest socket wrench and sockets for this by the way.

crankwalk i think he has an 06 infamous which is a gen. 4 and you would access the poppet by removing the ram sleeve and removing it from front of ram sleeve :D:cheers:

[Stewey956]

Ughh, I dread taking out the ram sleeve.

[jay814u]

Ughh, I dread taking out the ram sleeve.

its not so bad bro take your time god knows i have removed mine a bunch of times trying to figure out my problem. but if your are not sure about it try doing all the other things first like changing solenoid one step at a time and figure out what it is :cool:

[Stewey956]

Are there any breakdown videos for Intimidators?

Is there?

[jay814u]

none that i know of stewey only vids are of gen 3 and gen 5 that i have found but if you dont want to take the ram sleeve out you can take the front LPR off like crankwalk said and use i believe a 3/8" nut driver to remove the valve (front of ram sleeve) as they refer to it in manual to get out the poppet i just find it better to pull the whole ram sleeve out that way you can inspect ram sleeve clean it completely lub o-rings reinstall everything and be done just my opinion though hope this helps

[crankwalk]

Yes, I had an 06 Empire II and unless I've lost too many brain cells due to beer, I believe I never had to remove the sleeve to get at the rocket cap/poppet - just the front block.

:cheers:

http://gridironfans.com/forums/images/smilies/drinks/smiley-give-me-beer-sign.gif

:D

[jay814u]

Yes, I had an 06 Empire II and unless I've lost too many brain cells due to beer, I believe I never had to remove the sleeve to get at the rocket cap/poppet - just the front block.

:cheers:

http://gridironfans.com/forums/images/smilies/drinks/smiley-give-me-beer-sign.gif

:D

LOL yep you can do it that way i stand corrected i just like doing things the hard way i just replied same time you did :facepalm:

[crankwalk]

haha yeah I noticed that too, 7:32 EST :facepalm: lol

stewey if you need any kind of walkthrough in breaking down your marker feel free to post specifics here or you can PM me i can try to help :D

[Stewey956]

Mmk. Gonna have to do a breakdown at the field I guess.

[James_Haun]

I wouldn't do it at the field. You will be better off doing this at home where it will be easier to keep track of your parts.

[Stewey956]

Hmm k, I'm not playing this weekend anyways. Maybe I can borrow my friend's scuba.

[Stewey956]

Hey guy's, been out of town so I couldn't really tech the Infamous.

I took a look at the insides of my marker when installing my CP Trigger.

I noticed some slight pinch marks on it, and when I tightened the clamshell, I noticed that the battery life light went from green to red.

So I am just wondering, could it have been a power issue from the beginning?

Anyone have pictures of how there battery wire is inside the clamshell? I end up with a lot of extra wire to get crushed.

[crankwalk]

Pinched wire could be contributing to the problem, although from the video it still sounds to me like pinched pneumatic hose inside the marker.

I don't have any pics but basically you need to route the wire around the battery so the battery doesn't lay on it and crush it, you can also try placing the wiring so the battery terminals are facing left, it may take up some of the extra slack on your wiring

[Stewey956]

Ughh, I'm sending it off haha.

[jay814u]

stewey did you ever replace the solenoid?

[Stewey956]

Oh duh, that is what I forgot to do.

[IRStookmySpyder]

I would try replacing the solenoid, and after that just check all of the wires for any serious pinches.

[Stewey956]

Ok, gotta wait for air, again. I'll definitely swap out the noid.

[Stewey956]

Hey guys, went to the field today.

While swapping the noids I decided to take a closer look at the battery connector, well turns out the red wire had its connection broken.

Looks like I will be buyin a new connector.

[crankwalk]

Sorry to hear about that but at least you are narrowing down the problem now!

[Stewey956]

Sorry to hear about that but at least you are narrowing down the problem now!

Thanks Crank, hopefully the new battery harness will solve my problem.

[Stewey956]

Installed the ne battery harness and eyes, same symptoms.

Swapped out the noid and tried to shoot, but it made a noise like my tank was almost empty.

I don't know what to do anymore.

[crankwalk]

Wow your marker must be possessed.. can you try one thing? See this pic:

http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/files/images/step5.JPG

remove your frame and pull it down just like that so the hoses are straightened out a bit

then dry fire.. see if it shoots any louder with the frame pulled down - the purpose of this exercise would be to rule out hoses being pinched or kinked when you put your frame on that can't be easily seen...

[Stewey956]

I'll try that again, I triple checked the hoses already.

I'll try extending the hosing again.

Edit: Yep, no change, the paint barely rolls out of the barrel.

[kobu]

send it to BLAST

[Stewey956]

send it to BLAST

Tryin to hold off on that.

While I have the front block off, should I check anything?

[Gee Tee]

Tryin to hold off on that.

While I have the front block off, should I check anything?

Assuming you've got a steady 70-80psi showing on the LP reg gauge, but still having trouble getting good velocity - have you tried gauging HP reg to see what your getting out of it? One of my mates spent ages friggin with LP and other settings (dwell) on his Timmy, only to discover the HP reg was set too low :facepalm:

I made a pressure tester out of a spare male/female ASA connector, with a 0-600psi gauge and straight macro fitting in each end. Works a treat for setting regs without a gauge installed ;)

[Stewey956]

Well seein as there is no change when adjustin my HPR, I don't think that si the cause of the problem.'

I've tried 3 other HPRs, all of which I am very familiar in setting, no change.

[Gee Tee]

One other thing - have you checked it's not a restriction in the ASA, or the pin valve not flowing enough air? This cropped up on a team gun this year. Alan's Black Magic Eblade was playing up, and he discovered the air was getting cut off due to a large diameter pin depressor. If he screwed tank in too far the ASA's depressor wedged in the end of the bonnet, effectively choking off the air flow.

He stripped the pin out of ASA and ground the end down to a taper. This sorted it a treat and his Cocker runs fine now.

Here's a few shots of the pressure tester I mentioned earlier :)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/GeeTee_album/test1.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/GeeTee_album/test2.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/GeeTee_album/test3.jpg

[Stewey956]

Hmm, I will try a few different ASAs.

If that doesn't work, I am shippin this baby out.

[crankwalk]

Yeah please let us know what it turns out to be - this has been baffling!

[Stewey956]

Is there anythin I could check while the front block is off?

[crankwalk]

I guess check and see if anything is blocking any passages in there...

[Stewey956]

Well, Ican't move anything. I unscrewed the securing grub screw, but nothin will budge.

[crankwalk]

hmm.. the plot thickens? you took the front block grub screw completely out correct? try rocking the front block clockwise and counterclockwise to see if it will move. maybe there is something really gummed up in there?

[Stewey956]

A good bit of paint and some lube, but I moved it, to the limit of the barb tho. Cleaned it up, I can also see the black thing on the front.

Sorry, my Timmy parts terminology is still developing. :P

[crankwalk]

Have you ever removed the rocket cap to get at the poppet? Maybe the middle o-ring fell off and is gumming up the inside... I don't remember if we discussed this, this thread is huge lol.

[Stewey956]

No, I hav not touched anything within the ram sleeve. I don't evne know how to remove the rocket cap.

[crankwalk]

Ah, we did talk about this before in this thread lol - here (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8920&postcount=29) is how to get the rocket cap off. Please inspect the poppet area to make sure nothing is stuck in there...

[Stewey956]

Ahh, yes.

I remember wanting to stay away from that lol.

Let me get to that.

I will probably place an order on new hoses and barbs.

Edit: Gosh, lube is everywhere. I cleaned it up, should I apply more lube?

What size socket do I use to remove a barb?

[crankwalk]

Yeah check that out, if you have the updated brass poppet it will have 3 o-rings.. the middle o-ring is notorious for falling off if lubed (it should be left dry) - it may just be laying in there impeding the poppet movement or air flow... just a speculation though.

[Stewey956]

Gosh, lube is everywhere. I cleaned it up, should I apply more lube?

What size socket do I use to remove a barb?

I really want the Ram Sleeve out.

I damaged the barb pretty badly from slidin it around...

[crankwalk]

If you cleaned out a bunch of lube you probably want to also wipe down the poppet and lightly relube both o-rings on the ends leaving the middle one dry. IF you don't have a brass poppet with 3 o-rings you need to contact BLAST and get a free upgrade. The delrin poppets were known problematic.

Use a 3/16" nut driver to remove the barbs, or a pair of needle nose pliers

[Stewey956]

I have the brass.

This gun is just fallin apart, barbs just broke....I barely spun it and it broke off leaving the threads inside the body.

[crankwalk]

well that might have been part of your problem.. if a thread was cracked and some air was leaking past

do you know how to remove thread pieces from inside? use something like an xacto knife or hex key and press it against the sides of the broken piece while unscrewing

[Stewey956]

Just did that.

Couldn't find my extractor kit.

If I wanted to be completely high flow, would I hav to replace the noid barbs as well?

[crankwalk]

your stock barbs are already high flow on the Gen4s, you'd just need replacements for whatever broke and possibly for some spares

[Stewey956]

I couldn't fit a 1/16 inch on them b4 they broke though.

[crankwalk]

hmmmmm.. maybe previous owner switched out the barbs? yeah 1/16" should have fit thru them...

[Stewey956]

Well, I guess I am in the market for new barbs.

Too bad I can't really find out what is wrong with it now.

[crankwalk]

well now that you've got it apart you might as well inspect all the o-rings and make sure none are broken or cracked.

You shouldn't have to remove the ram sleeve just everything else. hehe

[Stewey956]

The sleeves already out haha. The barb broke anyhow.

Edit: How light is the light sprign that comes with Eigenrams? The spring I found installed is pretty hard.

[crankwalk]

that skinny very hard spring is the stock spring for Gen4s. I imagine the Lurker one would feel softer - I know the one that's sold by Lurker for use with the Gen2's and 3's compresses VERY easily.

[Stewey956]

Ok, found my other spring, turns out the harder 1 was installed.

[crankwalk]

man.. that could also be your problem (or at least a big part of it) light ram, not enough mass to fully open the poppet with stock heavy spring - could explain why it seems like it was being restricted of air (like a pinched hose) -hmmmmm

could this be the answer? lol

[Stewey956]

Will it ever end? -tear-

Only time will tell, gotta get the new parts in. At least I've gained more knowledge of my marker through all of this hehe.

[crankwalk]

We'll get her fixed up! and if not - BLAST is excellent with customer service (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097)!

[Ollieleet]

We'll get her fixed up! and if not - BLAST is excellent with customer service (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097)!

That statement is beyond true :) (What would be beyond true..?)

[Stewey956]

We'll get her fixed up! and if not - BLAST is excellent with customer service (http://www.intimidatorowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097)!

LOL, well time to wait on the parts and put this baby back carefully.

What I want to do, is end this thread with a video of my working Timmy LMAO.

[crankwalk]

Yep! so we'll check back here in a couple of days hahaha

[Ollieleet]

LOL, well time to wait on the parts and put this baby back carefully.

What I want to do, is end this thread with a video of my working Timmy LMAO.

I do too :)

[jay814u]

hey crankwalk that poppet can be removed through the front of the gun right LMAO :facepalm:

[crankwalk]

HAHAHA! yes jay lol :facepalm:

[IRStookmySpyder]

^ lol. You sound like a teacher that is really tired of someone asking the same question but here it was only asked once.

[crankwalk]

It was just funny how we helped jay discover about a gazillion posts ago that he could actually remove the poppet without removing the sleeve. Man this thread is really long *laugh*

[jay814u]

hey stewey was the middle o-ring on poppet intact when you removed it

[jay814u]

yeah that was a real brain fart on my part :tdown:

[Stewey956]

hey stewey was the middle o-ring on poppet intact when you removed it

Yes, everything was intact.

[jay814u]

dont forget about the o-ring on the rear barb block of the ram sleeve when you put it back together :D

[IRStookmySpyder]

yeah that was a real brain fart on my part :tdown:

I have those all of the time, lol.

[Stewey956]

I have those all of the time, lol.

It's good you can admit it. :)

[bunkerking84]

ok i never posted in this thread but iv been watching it the whole time my suggestions just get new barbs change the noid maybe get a new oring rebuild kit and maybe a new poppet none of this can hurt so hope this helps

[Stewey956]

Got everything in, it still can't shoot a ball out of the barrel.

Sending it out soon.

Questions:

1. Can a damaged bumped on the ram cause this?
2. When shipping it to BLAST, do I need to switch it to all stock parts?

[Ollieleet]

Got everything in, it still can't shoot a ball out of the barrel.

Sending it out soon.

Questions:

1. Can a damaged bumped on the ram cause this?
2. When shipping it to BLAST, do I need to switch it to all stock parts?

Negative on the switching to stock parts.

[Stewey956]

Is there a guide to shipping to them? I don't want to seem unprofessional.

Edit: Could a malfunctioning board be causing this?

[crankwalk]

Damaged bumper on the ram? what does your ram look like? Rams haven't had bumpers on them since the Gen 2 line..

[Stewey956]

Damaged bumper on the ram? what does your ram look like? Rams haven't had bumpers on them since the Gen 2 line..

It is the Eigenram, it is soft and black so I figured it was a bumper?

Some of it has been cut off and it fell off once as well.

[crankwalk]

if it looks like this

http://www.lurkerpaintball.com/inc/timmyram.jpg

you have the wrong ram for your Gen4 - the above is a Gen2-3 ram...

your ram needs to look like this

http://www.lurkerpaintball.com/inc/2k6timmyram.gif

that's the Gen4 ram.. there are differences otherwise he wouldn't have made two rams - if the ram you are using now is too large for the Gen4 ram sleeve, this could be part or all of your problem. Do you have your stock ram that you can put back in? Uninstall the Lurker Eigenram for now..

[Stewey956]

It is the 2nd one, correct Gen.

What I am takin as the bumper is at the base of the Gen4 Eigen, but not as large.

Lemme try the old ram, I remember doing this before.

Edit: success on changing the rams, shoots perfectly now at 65 PSI, ughh I am so ****ed, poured a lot of money into it when I already had the part.

Edit 2: Has a bit of a problem sealing though, tried to adjust the ram positioning be cause some balls were gettin stuck, but it starts to leak, leaks when I push down on the bolt as well.

[crankwalk]

OMG. It was the Lurker Eigenram causing trouble in your Gen4 all along then!

Sealing issue will be taken care of as soon as you replace and relube both of the stock ram's o-rings.....

[Stewey956]

OMG is right haha. Let me replace those O-Rings then, I lubed it, but didn't really take the time hehe.

Thanks to everyone who has worked with me through this agonizing ordeal.

What can I do about the ram though? I mean, I'd like for the upgrade to work....

LURKER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crankwalk]

Hey I'm just glad we got the thing working and got the problem figured out before you sent it to BLAST.

The only thing I can imagine is that the spring being used might still not be light enough. If you didn't purchase the Eigenram directly from Lurker and installed both items yourself you can't be sure that a previous owner didn't lose the Lurker spring and just use any old spring.. I know you said that you have two springs, one is hard and one is softer but who knows it may still not be the right one. I'm just guessing at this point.

[Stewey956]

The spring did kind of seem to stick out as far as Lurker springs go.

I am not gonna worry about that for now haha, I'd rather play with it as is then start tryin to tweak it more.

[crankwalk]

Yeah beats me.. for now chuck the Eigenram and stick with stock. Best of luck with the rest of the tweaks!

[Stewey956]

hehe, the Ram is the only thing not stock after this whole ordeal. :P

Mind running me through what settings you would have for:

Dwell
Loader delay
AMB
ARS
Bolt delay
CPF

Last request, I promise. :)

[ferret]

Dont feel too bad. I couldnt get the eigenram to work in my Dark either. Using the stock ram and works great.

[crankwalk]

Stewey sorry I cant' help you on the board settings... I'm using a Protege these days, maybe someone with a nicely tuned Gen4 can hop in this thread and give you some advice

[jay814u]

stewey i will check my setting on my gen 4 havent used it in awhile i use a protege and marq these days i will post it when i get a chance today

[Stewey956]

Alright, thanks!

[jay814u]

hehe, the Ram is the only thing not stock after this whole ordeal. :P

Mind running me through what settings you would have for:

Dwell
Loader delay
AMB
ARS
Bolt delay
CPF

Last request, I promise. :)
heres what mine is set at hope this helps:
dwel 109.0
bip 02.0
Capbps 18
deb 03.0
mbounce 03
r bps 04
this is a stock 06 empire 2

[St.Valentino]

if you over lube anything on a timmy make sure it dosent get on the eyes cuz it will destroy them

[Ollieleet]

Huh? I've never had lube getting on my eyes result in a problem. Well aside from me needing to wipe them off.

[yellowman]

this is reliving an old thread, but......

lubing the Luker ram with Dow 55 will slow the ram enough to cause this problem. lube the ram with Dow 33 and the problem goes away.

this happened to me and I found the Dow 55 swelled the o rings just enough to slow it down after a couple of days of sitting there. changing to Dow 33 cured the problem.